• YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]
    hexbear
    49
    3 months ago

    I'm kinda shocked they go there on birthright. You'd think they'd steer people better. And knowing this, I'm shocked anyone who goes on birthright doesn't come back with misgivings about the occupation

    • Deadend [he/him]
      hexbear
      61
      3 months ago

      Birthright is a huge propaganda dose designed to make Israel look perfect and make you feel like you belong.

      Being Jewish as a kid in an area where it’s rare makes you feel like an outsider in your community.

      I never went on birthright because I was aware that Netanyahu aligned with the politics of the guy who assassinated Yitzak Rabin for trying to sign the Oslo accords. Knowing that the Israeli population DID NOT WANT PEACE was a wake up to the zionist bullshit.

      Oslo accords weren’t perfect, but the push to reject them under the guise of “not perfect” is bullshit.

      • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]
        hexbear
        44
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        yeah, but if you want to make israel look perfect why show people settlements where they can literally look down and see the underclass of palestinians below?

        All I can come up with is maybe the racism is so ingrained and the mistreatment of palestinians so normalized that the israelis don't realize that (at least some) kids on birthright are going to see that and go "what the fuck. you are the baddies."

        • Deadend [he/him]
          hexbear
          37
          3 months ago

          The course corrections happened. They avoid going into West Bank or Gaza anymore. Basically they don’t want to show “we are the baddies” until the kids are so bought in that admitting it would be painful. As you basically get kicked out of Judaism in America for daring to say “Israel is maybe not there good guys”

          • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
            hexbear
            22
            3 months ago

            As you basically get kicked out of Judaism in America for daring to say “Israel is maybe not there good guys”

            really? the biggest anti-zionists i've met here besides palestinians themselves have been american jews

            • @SSJ2Marx
              hexbear
              11
              3 months ago

              Both Jewish and non-Jewish Americans have 70-80% support for Israel. About half of those somehow hold the position of supporting Israel while also believing that the Israeli government should pursue a ceasefire.

              • RyanGosling [none/use name]
                hexbear
                2
                3 months ago

                It’s funny how American liberals and Osama had the same beliefs about American governance. They both believe(d) that if enough people vote for anti-war legislation, the representatives will act on it and stop war in the Middle East.

            • Deadend [he/him]
              hexbear
              2
              3 months ago

              Saying negative things about Zionism in the Jewish community will get you attacked.

        • RyanGosling [none/use name]
          hexbear
          18
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          yeah, but if you want to make israel look perfect why show people settlements where they can literally look down and see the underclass of palestinians below?

          Because that’s almost perfect. In their eyes, the dirty underclass will either perish and their land taken, or they work as slaves and servants.

          Kings and emperors parade in the dirty muddy streets so their subjects grovel at them. Slave masters sip tea on their porch while slaves are bleeding on the ground and getting whipped.

          The only real problem for them is that it’s taking too long to reach perfection.

          And if that’s not it, then seeing all of them from your high tower that you stole makes you believe you’re superior because you’re in their house while they’re on the streets.

    • Angel [any]
      hexbear
      15
      3 months ago

      Also, don't look up how Israel treats non-Ashkenazi Jews. Worst mistake of my life!