Honestly it shakes my faith as a socialist a bit. I wanna blame it all on capitalism and propaganda, but damn I meet people almost daily who suck so hard I'm like "I'm pretty sure you'd still be an asshole even if you were born under FALGSC". How the fuck do you organize socialism when so many people are irredeemably dickish? Idk maybe Lenin was just good at putting up with assholes, he did work with Trotsky.
We're fighting for everyone and not just the people we like. All we need from them is they fall in line adequately when the time comes. The revolution will not get rid of jerks or assholes and I doubt anything really will.
People suck because they imitate authority figures. Like with covid, if a ramdom person sees the goverment does not give a shit. They dont give a shit either. Then again even in china some asholes were protesting against quarentines, so i guess there are some people who should get the wall, but overall, most of the assholes would be ok people in a different system.
I think that's all true to a degree but that still means a lot of people are really shallow and suck at doing any critical thinking. And again I wanna blame it on education but I've met people who went to good school, are well read and seem pretty knowledgeable about various things who will still drop the absolute worst fucking takes about certain things and I'm just like, I don't think any amount of reeducation is gonna help you bro.
I agree education is not as important. Most peopple learn by imitation. And the system edges us on towards certain paths, again during covid they made it hard to keep proper behaibiours lile mask use. So people gave up. Once enough people stoped masking being an ashole became the new normal due to imitation. But in some countries were their goverments paid more atention people are still masking. Not everyone but a majority or at least a large plurality.
This and then there's the stigma, taboo & hegemony of it all. Just saw a post where a person who would call themselves aware and progressive stated having "the weirdest flu" for two weeks and then went on listing all the textbook covid symptoms from sore throat to sob.
It's like people choose to be programmed to ignore the obvious, it's infuriating.
This same repeats in everything: I got into an argument with an environmentalist the other day who first ranted about the right wing & fascism and then his blog post had overpopulation brain worms in it. I asked him about this and provided several links on how he is in fact promoting ecofascism and as the dude refuses to denounce capitalism as a system, he was entirely unable to see the issue.
The sad bit is that this is most people. But tech bros are still the most annoying for me. Regardless of age.
Or say its allergies. Because of this i think long covid is way more common than reported but people just ignore it because admiting it would be too much of a psychological burden.
As for techbros, its like a cargo cult. They sure are anyoing. And that is one set of assholes that are entierly a product of social conditioning.
I feel you so much on this. I find the most heinously inconsiderate bullshit almost every day. A half empty wine cup placed on the shelf in an unsteady manner, people just rummaging through the shelf I got all nice and organized, opened packaging (not even stolen, I can respect theft) that I have to run damages for now, and it goes on and on. Am I the only person who thinks it wrong to fuck up somebodies workplace just because they don’t have a choice in unfucking if they want to stay employed?
The majority of Americans seem to be less mannered than actual hogs because at least it’s meant to be in the hogs nature that it’s dirty and a pain to be around.
Hey now hogs are very clean and smart animals. They only roll in mud to cool off. And like any other animal in captivity (including humans) they only become filthy when given no other choice. Don't give into the propaganda animal ag has spread!
Feel this. Live in a really rural community. People I work with are ok but I have to commute 30 minutes south and most of them commute 15 minutes north froma a city.
When people ask me why I don't do more to organize in my community it's because if you get more than like 3 of the average people from around her together they'll just start telling each other jokes where the punchline is a slur and then start talking about how minorities (none of which live within 30 miles of them) have it so easy compared to middle aged white men. Then talk about how the democrats are going to make it illegal to eat hamburgers and they're going to take away your boot jacks.
My circle of acquaintances are basically the only decent people in town and I do volunteer where I can but it's pretty disheartening to be working at a meal site, give somebody their food and they respond "hopefully Trump wins because if that commie Biden wins he'll give all this food away to a bunch of slurs who don't want to work."
Yea my last boss was about the dumbest fox New Maga asshole youncould imagine, I mean would stop at job sites and talk with his friends for 45 minutes at the end of the day about whatever fox told them to be mad about that day.
Near us is a big vacation destination in the summer with a hotel that's booked all summer so it's almost impossible to rent a place because everybody just rents them as air bnbs all summer. Had a couple friends who had to move because their landlord just told them they weren't renewing the lease and they had to get out.
So the town passed a law saying that you could do rentals for less than a month to try to Crack down on it.
My old boss insisted it was the hotel buying out the politicians so they didn't have any competition.
I really tried to patiently explain that wasn't it, the hotel was already totally full all summer so they didn't need more business and it was almost impiss8ble to actually find a place to rent. He told me that made sense.
Then 30 minutes later one of his racist friends came in and my boss was smugly telling him about how the hotel bride the local politicians so they wouldn't have any competition.
His business shut down shortly after he started putting a stipulation in his contracts if you didn't support the 2nd amendment he wouldn't do business for you and refused to go into any bad or even gas station that wouldn't let him wear his gun in them.
Idk if he realized it but he was the most cowardly pathetic man I've ever had to deal with.
Cut throat dog-eat-dog capitalism mixed with Westoid individualist ideology is a surefire recipe for assholes. If someone is always in survival mode and someone is always out to fuck them over, that reflects on their personality.
Socialism is the answer to both of these, but how you impose socialism except at the point of a gun is a question I'm not qualified to solve.
Honestly it shakes my faith as a socialist a bit. I wanna blame it all on capitalism and propaganda, but damn I meet people almost daily who suck so hard I'm like "I'm pretty sure you'd still be an asshole even if you were born under FALGSC". How the fuck do you organize socialism when so many people are irredeemably dickish? Idk maybe Lenin was just good at putting up with assholes, he did work with Trotsky.
We're fighting for everyone and not just the people we like. All we need from them is they fall in line adequately when the time comes. The revolution will not get rid of jerks or assholes and I doubt anything really will.
"I was expecting you to say communism won't work because of human nature... I wasn't expecting you to be so ass you convince me it's true."
People suck because they imitate authority figures. Like with covid, if a ramdom person sees the goverment does not give a shit. They dont give a shit either. Then again even in china some asholes were protesting against quarentines, so i guess there are some people who should get the wall, but overall, most of the assholes would be ok people in a different system.
I think that's all true to a degree but that still means a lot of people are really shallow and suck at doing any critical thinking. And again I wanna blame it on education but I've met people who went to good school, are well read and seem pretty knowledgeable about various things who will still drop the absolute worst fucking takes about certain things and I'm just like, I don't think any amount of reeducation is gonna help you bro.
I agree education is not as important. Most peopple learn by imitation. And the system edges us on towards certain paths, again during covid they made it hard to keep proper behaibiours lile mask use. So people gave up. Once enough people stoped masking being an ashole became the new normal due to imitation. But in some countries were their goverments paid more atention people are still masking. Not everyone but a majority or at least a large plurality.
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This and then there's the stigma, taboo & hegemony of it all. Just saw a post where a person who would call themselves aware and progressive stated having "the weirdest flu" for two weeks and then went on listing all the textbook covid symptoms from sore throat to sob.
It's like people choose to be programmed to ignore the obvious, it's infuriating.
This same repeats in everything: I got into an argument with an environmentalist the other day who first ranted about the right wing & fascism and then his blog post had overpopulation brain worms in it. I asked him about this and provided several links on how he is in fact promoting ecofascism and as the dude refuses to denounce capitalism as a system, he was entirely unable to see the issue.
The sad bit is that this is most people. But tech bros are still the most annoying for me. Regardless of age.
Or say its allergies. Because of this i think long covid is way more common than reported but people just ignore it because admiting it would be too much of a psychological burden.
As for techbros, its like a cargo cult. They sure are anyoing. And that is one set of assholes that are entierly a product of social conditioning.
how does not organizing socialism fix this though?
under not socialism, good behaviour is discouraged and bad behaviour is incentivized.
the act of organizing teaches people (including you) new ways of relating to each other they never even thought of. struggle changes everything.
Have you ever read Wages so low you'll freak by Mike Pudd'nhead? It's online at that link.
Fair, sorry working retail with petite bough customers and CHUD coworkers just puts me in a sour mood for solidarity.
I feel you so much on this. I find the most heinously inconsiderate bullshit almost every day. A half empty wine cup placed on the shelf in an unsteady manner, people just rummaging through the shelf I got all nice and organized, opened packaging (not even stolen, I can respect theft) that I have to run damages for now, and it goes on and on. Am I the only person who thinks it wrong to fuck up somebodies workplace just because they don’t have a choice in unfucking if they want to stay employed?
The majority of Americans seem to be less mannered than actual hogs because at least it’s meant to be in the hogs nature that it’s dirty and a pain to be around.
Hey now hogs are very clean and smart animals. They only roll in mud to cool off. And like any other animal in captivity (including humans) they only become filthy when given no other choice. Don't give into the propaganda animal ag has spread!
Ok, I wouldn’t want one in my workplace either way.
On second thought, it might be an improvement.
Feel this. Live in a really rural community. People I work with are ok but I have to commute 30 minutes south and most of them commute 15 minutes north froma a city.
When people ask me why I don't do more to organize in my community it's because if you get more than like 3 of the average people from around her together they'll just start telling each other jokes where the punchline is a slur and then start talking about how minorities (none of which live within 30 miles of them) have it so easy compared to middle aged white men. Then talk about how the democrats are going to make it illegal to eat hamburgers and they're going to take away your boot jacks.
My circle of acquaintances are basically the only decent people in town and I do volunteer where I can but it's pretty disheartening to be working at a meal site, give somebody their food and they respond "hopefully Trump wins because if that commie Biden wins he'll give all this food away to a bunch of slurs who don't want to work."
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Yea my last boss was about the dumbest fox New Maga asshole youncould imagine, I mean would stop at job sites and talk with his friends for 45 minutes at the end of the day about whatever fox told them to be mad about that day.
Near us is a big vacation destination in the summer with a hotel that's booked all summer so it's almost impossible to rent a place because everybody just rents them as air bnbs all summer. Had a couple friends who had to move because their landlord just told them they weren't renewing the lease and they had to get out.
So the town passed a law saying that you could do rentals for less than a month to try to Crack down on it.
My old boss insisted it was the hotel buying out the politicians so they didn't have any competition. I really tried to patiently explain that wasn't it, the hotel was already totally full all summer so they didn't need more business and it was almost impiss8ble to actually find a place to rent. He told me that made sense.
Then 30 minutes later one of his racist friends came in and my boss was smugly telling him about how the hotel bride the local politicians so they wouldn't have any competition.
His business shut down shortly after he started putting a stipulation in his contracts if you didn't support the 2nd amendment he wouldn't do business for you and refused to go into any bad or even gas station that wouldn't let him wear his gun in them.
Idk if he realized it but he was the most cowardly pathetic man I've ever had to deal with.
Cut throat dog-eat-dog capitalism mixed with Westoid individualist ideology is a surefire recipe for assholes. If someone is always in survival mode and someone is always out to fuck them over, that reflects on their personality.
Socialism is the answer to both of these, but how you impose socialism except at the point of a gun is a question I'm not qualified to solve.