This is the official hexbear Dune discussion thread (not really)
I watched the new Dune and enjoyed the films from a cinematic/fantasy perspective but wasn't super on-board with the politics as I thought the message was simply 'leaders bad', but what didn't come across (imo) from the movies and what I'm learning from discussion of the books is that the message is more nuanced than that: Herbert's message wasn't "don't blindly follow leaders because they're evil", but "don't blindly follow leaders because movements based on blind belief are a force of their own and can sweep everyone up into a mess, even if that was not at all the intention", and there are of course examples of that happening throughout human history. I want to hear all of your thoughts on the books, the films, and the messages. Thanks. 
The white savior isn't exactly the "good guy"
By the end of movie 2, I don't feel like this point has been made very well yet. Maybe movie 3 will make it clearer
Movie 3 will be based on the 2nd book Dune Messiah, readers of the first book who dissappintly didn't get the point that white savior guy is bad news back in the day were also a thing and Frank Herbert wasn't too keen on having that missed, Dune Messiah is entirely about that.