A lot of leftists are marxist-leninist, anti-sexist, LGBT+ and anti-racist. BUT, they'll tell you the dumbest right-wing arguments to justify eating animals. I get that people aren't ideal, but when you are the urban middle class of the West, there's no excuse to not be vegan. Absolutely, no, excuse, to, murder, animals. Historical materialism lets me ok people from poor/oppressed backgrounds being carnist. I would never denounce a carnist in Gaza, but the Westerners have no any excuses to abuse animals.
I get that some people just have no will, I know people can be addicted. But at least DON'T BE A JERK to vegans. Some "leftists" post propaganda about veganism like YT videos that are literally funded by oil corporations. Some "leftists" are so toxic I'd rather have a conservative as my roommate than them.
The "leftists" lie all the time. Meat, dairy, eggs and honey are luxury products available mosty to those in the imperial core. The poor countries like India, Nigeria, Uganda and North Korea eat diets closest to veganism BECAUSE plant foods are the cheapest foods, not carnist subsidized McFood.
Dealing with leftists, especially online, is draining to me. How can I be productive as a leftist and not go insane? How can I cooperate with carnists to achieve the revolution? I see no easy solution here
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It's not ragebait. They posted to c/vegan to talk to other vegans about their thoughts. If they wanted to talk to carnists they'd have posted elsewhere.
absolutely doing this is how I became a vegan
No. Veganism is a moral baseline. I wouldn't any more entertain you "critiquing" any other moral baseline we have agreed on here, such as being against transphobia or racism or ableism. Speciesism is no different.
The two genders of veganism
(I think we're both saying the same thing, I'm just being super indirect)
We've done it so many times, and yet the carnists keep falling for it
Plenty of capacity to critique veganism (some people forget that a critique is not just criticism but can be "friendly"). But it should be done in that friendly way, and with care, because most people attempting a critique just end up regurgitating the tired talking points that set OP off. Not only not new, but just plain unserious talking points that rely on unclear thinking and misdirection.
For example, I think critiques of veganism that analyze where its modern iterations arose are interesting. I also think critiques that look at the way in which it is treated like a health fad or trendy food choice are good critiques, though arguably these are critiques of "plant-based" rather than veganism. But at the end of the day, it's about removing the violence on animals that we actively participate in every day but can easily avoid (sans standard qualifiers like people with medical conditions). The option to easily do this has a material basis rooted in the industrial revolution and the development of capitalism.