• HexBroke
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    • Greenleaf [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      That’s the thing, Putin would accept being allowed “into the club” in a heartbeat. These euros see Putin as an existential threat but they refuse to do the one that thing would actually defuse the situation - bring Russia closer to them. Neoliberalism can’t allow Russia to be an equal - they’re too much of a threat to US hegemony just by sheer size and power, even if they earnestly want to play ball with the west. It took Putin a while to realize this but I think he gets it now.

      By the way isn’t Borrell the guy who made that infamous “garden” comment?

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      • HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org
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        6 months ago

        This is the endgame from 30 years of mishandling the unwinding of the USSR.

        The obvious answer was to follow the post-WWII playbook: welcome Russia with open arms and flood them with redevelopment aid, like Germany and Japan. Provide a soft landing for Ivan Ivanovich-- maybe enabled by a rush of cheap, available consumer goods or some temporary market supports-- and it's much harder to make a political message out of "were you better off before 1991?". Give them 20 years to willingly unwind their military presence and become economically dependent, and you'd buy an endless stream of Yeltsin-esque stooges that would greenlight the slow parasitization of the country.

        That would have required delayed gratification though: you probably couldn't push the privatization grift immediately, for example.

    • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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      6 months ago

      Yes we all know Russia wanted into the club at one point, but this person literally said

      If they just conceded the territory, how much would the locals' lives change?

      My brother in Christ you’re comparing the people liberating them to the people trying to genocide them. There are differences between Ukraine and Russia and we can either discuss them or you can take your “deranged contempt” somewhere else.