psychological problems people have that are not a result of exploitation should absolutely be treated using therapy
This sentence specifically excludes people whose conditions are a result of exploitation. A condition can be caused by exploitation and still be a health issue (and worth noting, it won't often just go away if the bad working conditions go away).
The issue [...] is using drugs to paper over problems that are a direct result of shitty working conditions.
Again, framing genuine medical treatment as "papering over" is harmful.
When you say in response to this article that "drugging people up shouldn't be used to paper over brutally exploitative working conditions that cause psychological damage." you're implying that what is being done here isn't legitimate treatment and is merely "drugging people up". Which from the article doesn't seem to be the case.
Of course I wouldn't put it past capitalists to push that sort of scheme, but you're framing it as "this is happening" not "this could be happening/would be bad if it did". What is described in the article is just bog standard, physician supervised ketamine therapy, nothing day to day, and nothing during the work day.
FWIW I don't think you necessarily intended for your comments to be taken this way, but several people have now pointed out that they took it that way to you so continuing to argue you didn't say it isn't especially helpful.
Indeed, I find any time you explain yourself and people keep bringing up the particular phrasing you used while ignoring your clarifications, that's a sure sign that they just want to argue for the sake of it.
I really don't, I hate arguing and it stresses me out, but with comrades I take pains to try and explain why I'm arguing rather than start a shit-flinging fight. Usually I can actually get somewhere with that, not just getting back "nope I see no inconsistency between my repeated shitty, harmful framing and my later professed position on psychedelic therapy, I did absolutely nothing wrong or that could even reasonably be misinterpreted"
Here's the thing, it's fine to misinterpret what somebody else said, but when you keep harping on the original wording once they've repeatedly said that was not the intended meaning, that's not very productive. At that point you're ignoring the intent and are simply arguing for the sake of arguing instead of trying to have any sort of a productive discussion. It's just playing gotcha! See, see, the word you used could be interpreted the way I want to interpret it as opposed to the way you keep saying you meant for it to be interpreted.
This sentence specifically excludes people whose conditions are a result of exploitation. A condition can be caused by exploitation and still be a health issue (and worth noting, it won't often just go away if the bad working conditions go away).
Again, framing genuine medical treatment as "papering over" is harmful.
When you say in response to this article that "drugging people up shouldn't be used to paper over brutally exploitative working conditions that cause psychological damage." you're implying that what is being done here isn't legitimate treatment and is merely "drugging people up". Which from the article doesn't seem to be the case.
Of course I wouldn't put it past capitalists to push that sort of scheme, but you're framing it as "this is happening" not "this could be happening/would be bad if it did". What is described in the article is just bog standard, physician supervised ketamine therapy, nothing day to day, and nothing during the work day.
FWIW I don't think you necessarily intended for your comments to be taken this way, but several people have now pointed out that they took it that way to you so continuing to argue you didn't say it isn't especially helpful.
That is indeed not what I meant to say there, and I can't help it if people choose to aggressively misinterpret what I was very clearly trying to say.
To me it seems mostly like its just the plain meaning of the words you chose (repeatedly) but
When I keep repeating that I'm not against therapy over and over, but people just keep fixating on specific phrasing what else is there to say. 🤷
Some people just enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing.
Indeed, I find any time you explain yourself and people keep bringing up the particular phrasing you used while ignoring your clarifications, that's a sure sign that they just want to argue for the sake of it.
I really don't, I hate arguing and it stresses me out, but with comrades I take pains to try and explain why I'm arguing rather than start a shit-flinging fight. Usually I can actually get somewhere with that, not just getting back "nope I see no inconsistency between my repeated shitty, harmful framing and my later professed position on psychedelic therapy, I did absolutely nothing wrong or that could even reasonably be misinterpreted"
Here's the thing, it's fine to misinterpret what somebody else said, but when you keep harping on the original wording once they've repeatedly said that was not the intended meaning, that's not very productive. At that point you're ignoring the intent and are simply arguing for the sake of arguing instead of trying to have any sort of a productive discussion. It's just playing gotcha! See, see, the word you used could be interpreted the way I want to interpret it as opposed to the way you keep saying you meant for it to be interpreted.