N.B. misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed (uninternalize your reddit MRA today: men suffer some drawbacks under the patriarchy but ultimately still maintain it due to the large amount of privileges they receive under it!)

  • Maoo [none/use name]
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    1 month ago

    Those are all real they're just far less common and are minor in comparison to their "complement". They tend to be an internalized reaction to that complement even, of recognizing who primarily targets you and makes you unsafe.

    They lack systemic power but that doesn't change whether they exist as prejudices and in the ways we interact with one another.

    There are also situations in which localized power structures for them do exist. Small groups like clubs or sports teams. Obviously a smaller impact but still real and still alienating.

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      Reminds me of some commentary from a guest on a recent citations-needed:

      [A]mong scholars on the left and people who think about hate crimes and oppression in the state, you know, there’s different schools of thought around what it means to talk about hate crimes and to track hate crimes... I think that today in the US, it’s probably not really institutionalized antisemitism. There’s not really barriers to accessing housing, jobs, other resources for Jews. And Jews have a good amount of access to protection by the state and everything. So like, it’s not institutionalized, but there still is this antisemitism that can flare up and cause violence and especially coming from a lot of these white supremacist and right-wing neo-Nazi type groups.

      If your position is "if it's not systematic it doesn't exist," you have to explain around this, you have to explain around the localized power structures you mention, you get into long analyses of what systematic and individualized mean, etc.

      The much stronger position is that prejudice based on immutable characteristics is bad, period, but that prejudices harm different groups to different degrees.

      • ProletarianDictator [none/use name]
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        1 month ago

        The much stronger position is that prejudice based on immutable characteristics is bad, period, but that prejudices harm different groups to different degrees.

        This isn't much stronger.

        If "misandric" beliefs save a woman from being beaten, r*ped, or murdered, the belief has served a beneficial social purpose, even if the emergent behavior is socially harmful.

        (I understand every racist is itching to repackage this argument)

        Prejudice is just a stand-in for knowledge. The lack of (or aversion to) knowledge is the actual social ill.

        Racist tendencies, both individual and systemic, can arise without prejudice. Racism isn't just emergent prejudice and would still exist if all prejudices were wiped from people's minds.