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Listen old man, if you don't understand the answer is revolution after being in congress as long as you have, you have no answer.

Is the purpose of this just to hype up liberals for the murder of DPRK citizens?

It is only active in the sense of a moderator removing a reported post or comment, noticing it has a notable amount of upvotes and asking us for a vote audit.

That's reassuring, but the post itself wasn't even particularly aggregious. It was typical white western "leftist" bullshit for sure (which definitely warrants removal), but that hardly warrants investing votes on it besides wanting to know which are your users are privileged gringos. Idk I'm of the opinion it's better to let people vote on posts without action, but be extremely aggressive with the content moderation itself.

Given that lemmy (like reddit before it) doesn't have UI to view the upvoters, I would have the expectation that they are not looked at, and view circumvention of that as a violation of privacy. Like if someone was watching me when I was not suspecting.

There isn't a continuous bot that checks it or even a place where upvote patterns are logged.

I would certainly hope so! I figured as much.

"hm this is the third reactionary post user x has upvoted, lets see what the modlog is like oh wow a bunch of removed comments too it's time for user x to go."

If that's the case, why not just use the comments as grounds on their own?

The upvote data is not hidden by lemmy, and is accessible with the API.

This is only from the perspective of federated servers, right? Like for the data to end up on a federated server one of their users would have to have viewed the post. Also what data is available with these requests? I'm more concerned about timestamps more than what exact posts or comments I've upvoted. Either way, definitely not a desirable behavior IMO. I'd much rather not federate upvotes besides raw server-wide tallies, but I understand why that might be a spam/trust concern.

What does mbin / kbin do?

As an addendum, this is the best moderated space on the internet I've ever seen. The mod and admin team does a stellar job in general. This is really the first time I've ever felt strongly about any sort of moderation policy. I know shit here has been hectic recently, but y'all should be proud of how well managed this place is.

This is literally what happens. I've tried.

In my experience, its really hard to keep LLMs from reverting to the liberalism of the vast majority of their training data.

You'd only be supplying extremely clearly labeled training data for it.

I love this idea

Ugh why do communists develop on GitHub? I have so many things I'd like to contribute.

Dessalines if you're listening, use codeberg/forgejo or have a bridge

I always minimize or hide my marginalized identities out of a desire to not speak over other (and often more) marginalized people. But I'll give my 2¢ now. This is honestly the first struggle session I've actually felt strongly on.

Idk if it's exactly an ADHD and anxiety thing, but just knowing the fact that people are actively looking at users voting behaviors is extremely unsettling. I definitely upbear shit I didn't read absentmindedly.

Like taking a piss while someone is watching, I know I'm only doing normal people behavior, but the mere knowledge of active observation makes the whole thing uncomfortable.

I only feel comfortable posting here because I am more confident that my data is not going to be misused and abused.

Like obviously I understand admins can view whatever they want, but the fact that it is actively done for something as trivial as moderation decisions makes this place feel less welcoming. I come here for the liberating sense of comraderie that I feel being able to speak my mind as a communist with likeminded folks without fear of reprisal or backlash and without the companies who mine my data for profit narcing to the NSA.

Frankly the whole carcosa self flaggelation for renaming a comm poorly was so unnecessary, but this I feel is a betrayal of trust. Trust they rightfully deserve, mind you. (Plz don't try to resign again btw)

I dont think Lemmygrad is better. Too slow to be as entertaining, and not enough effort posts to bridge that gap. Engagement matters, but we also don't have to follow to VC capital oriented norm of fostering engagement.

I will upvote bad posts if I think it makes people more likely to see good posts down the chain (obviously within reason). Especially now with federation.

Only admins can see votes, we are seeing if we can change that setting so all users can.

This is a horrible idea. Seems like a perfect util for feds to use to deanonymize users by looking for usage and voting patterns. If this happens, I will probably only use Hexbear while logged out, and I suspect others will too, killing engagement.

Feels like every day now we get a new "China surpasses" headline.

come on jesus

Dirt_Kiwi

Put it back

Certified Los Angeles expert thinks he knows about Israel

Farming is defined by your proximity to corn when you're taking a shit

Nah I'll hand it to the libs on this one

Imagine how many roads that scene could be ruined by.