• Saeculum [he/him, comrade/them]
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    5 months ago

    We don't live in nature. We literally live in a human society.

    Human society exists entirely within nature. There's not some diving line where this place over here is natural and this place over there is unnatural. We decide what rights we have to what, because we decided that rights should exist.

    And what happens when this intervention causes new unforeseen consequences? How many disruptions until we leave well enough alone?

    There is no leaving well enough alone, unless you are content to watch it decline into deserts and polluted wastelands. Every action has consequences, and since we have already acted, the state of nature is the consequence of our action whether or not we continue to intervene.

    • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      I think this is a good way of putting it, imo your final sentence is really strong and I wonder if others would be more receptive if you started with it instead of ended with it. Still really appreciate your comment I might swipe it if that's alright with you.

      • Saeculum [he/him, comrade/them]
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        4 months ago

        I appreciate the feedback, thanks, and feel welcome to anything I've written if you can find anything good in my ramblings. I don't believe in intellectual property.

        • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]
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          4 months ago

          Ye kkkopyright is crudd. I ask as a force if habit, like 80℅ of the time i take without even knowing until I later think over my conversation 😂😭

    • Hatandwatch [she/her, comrade/them]
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      5 months ago

      Very colonizer-brained. We certainly can delineate ourselves to a certain degree. At what scope have we tried leaving well enough alone for nature to run its course? Human "wisdom" has caused untold damage, what makes you so certain that same wisdom is what's best?

      And this isn't a call for humanity to stop progressing or anything(though maybe....) just that well intentioned conservation seems short sighted and self serving. I'm not convinced our intervention is what will halt the decay.