I don't care if fascists kill other fascists though. And that's what liberals are.
And this is the ideological dead end that "liberals are the exact same thing as fascists" leads us to I guess. Actually believing that if an overtly fascist organization successfully assassinates a liberal public figure it would be a good thing because a "fascist" died. Like no, there is a material difference between liberals and fascists and I'm tired of people here saying otherwise partially because it leads to these absurd conclusions.
People here have a general idea of what you mean if you call someone a liberal though, at least that's the case on hexbear.
Apparently not! Since it means two different things to you and me. If you think there's no material difference between AOC and Attomwaffen, you are extremely lost.
Like would I mourn her as a individual person? No lol. Would I consider it a political loss for all of us? Absolutely. And not because of what I think AOC can accomplish or whatever. But because we don't want the overtly fascist organizations to get a win. When they get a win, they seek more wins. They like winning. If you think that kind of increasing right wing political violence only gets aimed at liberals and not the actual left (or just completely innocent minorities) you got another thing coming lmao.
I wouldn't even have liked it if "Hang Mike Pence" had worked out for them for this reason. Once it was a stated goal of the far far right, I didnt want it to happen, or at least not for them to do it. It would have been cool if we did it (if it was organized and had a stated, specific purpose and wasnt just random adventurism) but that wasn't what was happening.
I'm not going to debate you on this. It's a waste of my time and I have better shit to do. Have a good day.
Edit: you're also grossly mischaracterizing me when you assume I think liberals and fascists are exactly the same. I'm simply not going to engage with you further on this.
Alright, I was going to take that as a disengage and move on before the edit, but as I understand the disengage rule, you saying something about me negates it because it becomes an attempt to get in the last word.
You said
I don't care if fascists kill other fascists though. And that's what liberals are.
How else was I meant to take that other than you think liberals and fascists are the same? You literally said so there lol. What else could "And that's what liberals are" mean?
Fine, I'll keep this going to explain this clearly to you.
Liberals enable fascists to enact their policies. Fascists will put policies in place, and when liberals are in power, they do nothing to reverse the damage that fascists have done. In fact in many ways, they make it worse because they normalize it. We still have concentration camps on the border, liberals just pretend they don't exist anymore.
Then there's the continued support for genocide and war. Anyone who opposes their policies are called a Russian or Chinese asset, furthering hatred for foreigners, spurring on hate crimes and shifting the political spectrum further to the right. Then there's the so called "progressives" who pretend to reform the party while at the same time continuing to work with the liberals who continue to rot the government from the inside.
There's a reason we say "prick a liberal and a fascist bleeds." They are one bad day away from throwing minorities under the bus. And if they don't throw those minorities under the bus themselves, they'll stand on the sidelines virtue signaling about how "we need to help that person, they're about to get ran over!" But will take no action themselves in order to get the person out of the way, or stop the bus entirely.
Sure. It sucks when fascists get their way. But if they shoot the person who's about to stab me in the back, that's still one less enemy for me to worry about. And maybe it'll set an example for other liberals by showing them what they get for playing stupid games and flirting with fascists.
Well, ok, I agree with everything you said except the last part. I think you're ignoring the incredibly essential "empowerment" part of what I'm saying. I'm not just mad that they got a win becuase they're my enemy or whatever. I'm mad that they got a win because that increases their power and will to do more violence, and that increased will to do more violence can eventually come for me and the people I care about. I completely disagree that if a fash kills a liberal its good because the liberal is bad, and I guess we're just going to have to leave it there.
And this is the ideological dead end that "liberals are the exact same thing as fascists" leads us to I guess. Actually believing that if an overtly fascist organization successfully assassinates a liberal public figure it would be a good thing because a "fascist" died. Like no, there is a material difference between liberals and fascists and I'm tired of people here saying otherwise partially because it leads to these absurd conclusions.
Apparently not! Since it means two different things to you and me. If you think there's no material difference between AOC and Attomwaffen, you are extremely lost.
Like would I mourn her as a individual person? No lol. Would I consider it a political loss for all of us? Absolutely. And not because of what I think AOC can accomplish or whatever. But because we don't want the overtly fascist organizations to get a win. When they get a win, they seek more wins. They like winning. If you think that kind of increasing right wing political violence only gets aimed at liberals and not the actual left (or just completely innocent minorities) you got another thing coming lmao.
I wouldn't even have liked it if "Hang Mike Pence" had worked out for them for this reason. Once it was a stated goal of the far far right, I didnt want it to happen, or at least not for them to do it. It would have been cool if we did it (if it was organized and had a stated, specific purpose and wasnt just random adventurism) but that wasn't what was happening.
I'm not going to debate you on this. It's a waste of my time and I have better shit to do. Have a good day.
Edit: you're also grossly mischaracterizing me when you assume I think liberals and fascists are exactly the same. I'm simply not going to engage with you further on this.
Alright, I was going to take that as a disengage and move on before the edit, but as I understand the disengage rule, you saying something about me negates it because it becomes an attempt to get in the last word.
You said
How else was I meant to take that other than you think liberals and fascists are the same? You literally said so there lol. What else could "And that's what liberals are" mean?
Fine, I'll keep this going to explain this clearly to you.
Liberals enable fascists to enact their policies. Fascists will put policies in place, and when liberals are in power, they do nothing to reverse the damage that fascists have done. In fact in many ways, they make it worse because they normalize it. We still have concentration camps on the border, liberals just pretend they don't exist anymore.
Then there's the continued support for genocide and war. Anyone who opposes their policies are called a Russian or Chinese asset, furthering hatred for foreigners, spurring on hate crimes and shifting the political spectrum further to the right. Then there's the so called "progressives" who pretend to reform the party while at the same time continuing to work with the liberals who continue to rot the government from the inside.
There's a reason we say "prick a liberal and a fascist bleeds." They are one bad day away from throwing minorities under the bus. And if they don't throw those minorities under the bus themselves, they'll stand on the sidelines virtue signaling about how "we need to help that person, they're about to get ran over!" But will take no action themselves in order to get the person out of the way, or stop the bus entirely.
Sure. It sucks when fascists get their way. But if they shoot the person who's about to stab me in the back, that's still one less enemy for me to worry about. And maybe it'll set an example for other liberals by showing them what they get for playing stupid games and flirting with fascists.
Well, ok, I agree with everything you said except the last part. I think you're ignoring the incredibly essential "empowerment" part of what I'm saying. I'm not just mad that they got a win becuase they're my enemy or whatever. I'm mad that they got a win because that increases their power and will to do more violence, and that increased will to do more violence can eventually come for me and the people I care about. I completely disagree that if a fash kills a liberal its good because the liberal is bad, and I guess we're just going to have to leave it there.
Agreed, have a good night comrade.