Part of the reason I have autism in my name is so comrades I expect to be able to do so will not try to dunk on me for normal autistic behavior like caring about accuracy in rhetoric.

Please don't take a defensive stance and attack me like I'm some federated user (not that you all aren't obnoxiously agressive with federated users who havent actually earned it anyway sometimes, ive called it out a few times recently) spouting liberal rhetoric.

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In this thread I was arguing with the federated lib elsewhere, which was easy to see. But these two users here @Kieselguhr@hexbear.net and @ElHexo@hexbear.net decided to compare me to liberal fact checkers (liberal fact checkers use differences that dont actually matter to try to spin things as false, this is not what was happening here, as I wasnt trying to spin Kieselguhr as false, merely give them advice, AND the difference actually is material). Which frankly is an insulting comparison to make towards an autistic comrade. Then ElHexo decided to tell me information I already knew but wasnt relevant to the correction I made.

Fact checking isnt inherently wrong and playing fast and loose with information in your rhetoric isnt lib shit. Don't give people holes to gotcha you with lmao. Caring about truth is supposed to be one of our values. We are materialists. The fact that they got upbeared over me for this dunk bothers me too, wish I could see upbears so I could correct everyone involved in that too. Please, as leftists, care about truth and dont give liberals opening to gotcha you with. The fact that you've let the bad faith actions of liberal fact checkers start to make you post-truth is not a good sign. Readjust your thinking.

Finally, you really shouldnt approach any fellow Hexbear doing this by assuming bad faith like this, but especially not one with autism in the username. I was trying to improve rhetoric, not prove you wrong. Coming at me aggressively was not an appropriate response. We really should have an official rule of assuming good faith from fellow Hexbears. Especially long standing ones like myself, and ones who are open about being neurodiverse on top of that.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    2 months ago

    From your source:

    Roughly 100 House Democrats and 28 Senate Democrats were present in the chamber for the Israeli prime minister's speech, meaning around half of both caucuses were absent.

    There are 213 House Democrats and 47 Senate Democrats total, meaning 46.94% of House Democrats and 59.57% of Senate Democrats were at the speech based on their numbers. If you just lump the two together, you get 128/260 or 49.23%, barely squeaking by with a minority and we're going by a rough count, meaning it's quite possible a real count would push the actual number into a slim majority. The problem is that this assumes a house representative and a senator should have equal weight, which is not true at all within the context of US electoral politics. The conventional wisdom is that senators are more senior and "greater" than representatives, so they carry more weight relative to house representatives. And as a final point, I only found a single source (ie your source) that tried counting who actually attended the speech. Most MSM, for obvious reasons, gloss over the total count. As far as I am aware, there's no authoritative list of the actual people in attendance. I found a list of the boycotters here, which gives a much smaller number but is actually a list of people instead of a general vague number.

    Overall, I don't find your objections justifiable. In all likelihood, a majority of Democrats, both House and Senate, did in fact attend his speech, and once you have a majority of X doing Y, you can just say X did Y. You don't really need to qualify that statement.