• Formerlyfarman [none/use name]
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    29 days ago

    Russia is not arming Iran. Iran has its own mic and the tings they don't produce, like planes, the Russians don't want to sell, or are never delivered when sold.

    • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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      29 days ago

      https://www.stimson.org/2024/iran-and-russia-enter-a-new-level-of-military-cooperation/

      Indeed, other aspects of widening Iran-Russia military cooperation are noteworthy. Iran has supplied Russia with munitions, artillery shells, and drones (Shahed-131/136 series and the more advanced Mohajer-6), which involves establishing an entire factory for producing Iranian-style drones on Russian soil. In November 2023 Tehran announced that it would be getting Russian Su-35 fighter jets as well as Mi-28 attack helicopters. The deal was reported as finalized but apparently has not yet occurred. Iranian ballistic missile shipments to Russia, if confirmed, suggest that the fighter jets, helicopters, and perhaps even the S-400 missile defense system will be sent to Tehran soon. In February 2024, Russia also sent an Iranian satellite into orbit marking burgeoning ties in the space industry.

      There are military allies and provide each other military assistance. This is not controversial. Those satellites and funds are not going to waste, they are going right into the struggle.

      • Formerlyfarman [none/use name]
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        29 days ago

        Saying Russia is arming Iran makes it seem like iranian industry is underdeveloped or needs Russian help. it does not. The Iranians have made a lot of effort in order to build their own heavy industry from scratch, the only country that has helped meaningfully in arming Iran is Korea. In many areas, like medium range ballistic missiles the Iranians are ahead, at least according to simplicius.

        In other areas, like turbines for electric generation, it has been Iranian companies that have been supplying Russia after they were sanctioned. Even in your own link it's Iran doing the selling to Russia.

        They cooperate, and that's great. But that's different than Russia arming Iran. As the link says none of the hardware going from Russia to Iran has been delivered, even things that were paid decades ago. Except for the satellite launch.

        • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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          29 days ago

          Saying Russia is arming Iran makes it seem like iranian industry is underdeveloped or needs Russian help. it does not. The Iranians have made a lot of effort in order to build their own heavy industry from scratch

          You're reading into it too much, that was not my assertion. My assertion was that Russia and Iran have joint military cooperation on the level of a de facto Military Alliance now. They both are assisting each other, covering weak spots. My point is that Russia is materially allied with Palestinian struggle because they killed Zionist and US agents in Syria and are military allies with the axis of resistance.

          Saying that Russia is just saying this to "score points and sow division" is stupid. They're doing it because it's in their interests to push NATO out of Eurasia, and that's increasingly meaning Israel as well

          • Formerlyfarman [none/use name]
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            29 days ago

            I'm unsure of the extent of cooperation between both sides, it's certainly less than between Iran and Korea or Iran and Venezuela.

            There is also a significant portion of the Russian ruling class with deep economic ties to the entity and the west. So it's in their personal and class interests to reproach the west. This is also true in Iran to a lesser extent.

            However I do agree that as the sanctions against Russia continue, it's economic interests will align more and more with the resistance, we have seen the reproach meant with Korea, and Iranian arms sales are a good start.

            That being said, this meeting was with the comprador regime in the west bank and the statement seems vacuous.

            • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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              29 days ago

              Yes it was, a meeting with the compradors. They also met with Hamas leader though. They are a state. They have to have diplomatic meetings with everyone, even those they don’t like, and make pleasantries.

              Cuba does this. Venezuela does this. China does this. Basically the only nation that doesn’t have to do much diplomatic pleasantry crap is DPRK because they are so isolated they can just have their exact position without having to placate certain geopolitical tensions or powers