I can't help but think that a lot of resentment from guys who aren't getting laid comes from society's notion that if you can't or don't get sex, it means you're a lesser human being and that makes it okay for others to hurt you. In that position, I could easily see a man resenting women as the gatekeepers of his full humanity, and that by not having sex with him, they're depriving him of it. It's very similar to some angry thoughts I had when I was younger, and in a worse timeline it's entirely possible I could've fully plunged into that same cesspit.

That isn't to justify any of the awful shit that incels say and do, of course - many reactionaries lay blame in the wrong place for very real problems they face - but I feel there has to be a connection there.

  • AmericaDeserved711 [any]
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    1 month ago

    One of the things that incels are (rightly) criticized for is their attitude that they deserve sex, the sense of entitlement. But let's face it, that attitude is not remotely unique to incels, in fact it's kind of become the norm in Western society. Plenty of sex-havers feel entitled to sex too but it's seen as less of a problem because well, they have sex. Mainstream culture teaches us from an alarmingly young age to stake our self-worth on our ability to get laid, to an incredibly unhealthy degree.

    I think about movies like American Pie and Superbad which reinforce this idea that if you don't lose your virginity before reaching adulthood then you must be some kind of loser. There's something deeply unsettling to me about media, created by adults, shaming children for not having sex.


    On this topic, I don't really like how "incel" has become synonymous with "misogynist" - yes, incels are misogynists but I'm sorry to say, plenty of misogynists get laid. The majority of violence against women comes from men who are in relationships. I want to reiterate that this is in no way a defense of incels, many of whom at least fantasize about hurting women, or have done so. But I think it's a mistake to blame some fringe group of internet losers for a problem that is so much larger than them. Incels have become this convenient scapegoat for misogyny and patriarchy at large.

    Whenever a guy says or does something misogynist it has become a generic insult to call him an "incel", regardless of whether he actually is or not. It's an immature retort which basically amounts to "yeah, well I bet you don't get pussy, loser".

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
      hexagon
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      1 month ago

      On this topic, I don't really like how "incel" has become synonymous with "misogynist" - yes, incels are misogynists but I'm sorry to say, plenty of misogynists get laid.

      It also frames sex as being the rightful reward for meeting the bare minimum standards of being a decent human being, a view shared by... incels.

      • keepcarrot [she/her]
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        1 month ago

        Which on the face of it is also untrue; plenty of abusive assholes are in intimate relationships. Incels don't meet any other standard either though

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      I think about movies like American Pie and Superbad which reinforce this idea that if you don't lose your virginity before reaching adulthood then you must be some kind of loser. There's something deeply unsettling to me about media, created by adults, shaming children for not having sex.

      I hated those movies so much from the start, and I include "the 40 Year Old Virgin" to that list. My chud family members adored all three, of course.

      I despise the "blackpilled" 4chan style self-described incels, of course, but I do think it's a mistake to assign the label by association to all lonely or romantically frustrated people.

      • AmericaDeserved711 [any]
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        1 month ago

        I do think it's a mistake to assign the label by association to all lonely or romantically frustrated people

        agree, I only say "incel" to mean specifically the assholes who post on incel forums and who hate women. but to some people it simply means "virgin" and to others it means "misogynist". the term is so over-saturated in culture now that it's hard to have an honest conversation about it