cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5628797

  • Andrzej3K [none/use name]
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    9 days ago

    Very much in two minds about this, because while I do understand left objections to gun control in principle, I also like living somewhere where I don't have to worry about my kids' school getting shot up.

    • hypercracker [he/him]
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      9 days ago

      Leftist objections to gun control in the US are entirely half-baked:

      1. The US obsession with gun ownership draws entirely from its history as a settler country and the need for people on the frontier to be armed so as to defend the land they are squatting on.
      2. No successful socialist revolution has ever gone into battle with the country's military; all have relied on mass defection from the military.
      3. 99% of US "leftists" spouting the "under no pretexts" line are coming out of settler society and are very dubiously working class.
      • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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        9 days ago

        You're ignoring the fact that any and all gun control in the US enacted will just give police more tools to go after the poor, minorities, and colonized people and have been demonstrated to prevent exactly zero mass shootings.

        Username checks out though.

        • hypercracker [he/him]
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          9 days ago

          have been demonstrated to prevent exactly zero mass shootings

          yeah all those mass shootings that happen in Australia (also a settler country), come on

          • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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            9 days ago

            Did you just ignore the part where I said "in the US".

            I won't engage with someone this disingenuous and this is not my first runin with you being totally uninformed.

            If you think they will do that sort of widespread gun ban/buyback program at a federal level in the US I got a bridge to sell you.

            • hypercracker [he/him]
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              9 days ago

              You can argue along two tracks here:

              1. It is not viable in the US to implement gun control

              2. Gun control is a bad thing or is not effective at reducing shootings

              Clearly (1) is correct but we are on a communist website here, so I'm pretty used to dreaming of a world that is totally untenable in the US. 2 is quite a bit more doubtful. Like guns are the #1 killer of under-18s in this country. That's a huge fuckin price to pay for doing some kind of revolutionary cosplay.