Also this is basically Russian Patsoc // Nazbol-Lite // Strasser-Lite and by popular vote this should be on SReactionariesS instead of SUltrasS

  • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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    8 days ago

    society has a trend towards progressive values the longer it lasts, eventually enough activisim work would make someone realise that lgbtq people are workers too. shrug-outta-hecks

    return to capitalism certainly didnt improve the lives of gay people in eastern europe.

    edit, The real question is why is the so called vanguard party tailing the most reactionary elements of society.

    I guess Lenin should've vied for support by pogroming jews?

      • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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        8 days ago

        so the Lenin should've exterminated the jews, very smart and clever. I'm sure the society your "communist" party wants is going to be totally different actually from the ruling capitalist one.

        There's a difference between advocating for lgbtq rights AND THROWING US TO THE WOLVES. Literally you can just stfu about the issue if 90% of people want to murder gay people. shrug-outta-hecks

        • farmer_of_song@lemmygrad.ml
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          8 days ago

          There's also a difference between pushing hard for LGBTQIA+ issues and passive support in countries where popular opinion is against you.

          I think this is the point of critical support.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_North_Korea

          Fact of the matter is, most of BRICS and AES are more retrograde on LGBTQIA+ than Western nations, and China has shown backsliding, with the Global Times editor-in-chief being censored for plugging a transgender talkshow host on his Weibo.

          It is a perfectly valid position to take a pro-Western bourgeois democracy stance if you make LGBTQIA+ the core of your politics, but if you don't, you accept critical support as your main line.

          • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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            8 days ago

            Critical support in their struggle of creating a revolution through a ballot box for a splintered working class then, I guess.

              • ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml
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                8 days ago

                But we do have to acknowledge that Western bourgeois democracies are more progressive on LGBTQIA+ issues

                factually incorrect, Cuba is the most progressive in the world.

                The west pretends to be while allowing a 'free press' to agitate both the first and third world, communist sphere and such against lgbt+ people, we are captive.

                  • ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml
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                    8 days ago

                    That’s one state, which only legalized same sex marriage in 2022.

                    Progress is progress, it proves being against it is not inherent to marxist states but likely more to do with fuedal social values inherited through the super structures such as the church.

                    IDpol is the generation of othering that liberalism pioneers (napeleon) and that is yet to be unlearned, simply supporting LGBTI+ comrades is not IDpol, it is a denial of it.

                    • ashinadash [she/her]
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                      8 days ago

                      but likely more to do with fuedal social values inherited through the super structures such as the church.

                      The goofball you were replying to not acknowledging this and then just saying "uh capitalists better" is such a bruh moment I don't even know what to say. Huge L. The west has pretty much exported socially regressive politics...