I don't understand why there are so many people who consider themselves "Marxist feminists", but at the same time are distracted by astrology.

The origin of feminism is working class, and as a working class movement, it is materialist. I don't know if they at least know what dialectical materialism is, since they don't see such an abysmal contradiction between astrology (pseudoscience) and feminism (materialism).

They remind me of the liberal “feminist” Gloria Steinem.

And the same with some anarchists.

What do you think about it?

  • Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida [he/him]
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    4 days ago

    I just see it as a way some people of all genders try to fill the space left by religion. It doesn't necessarily have to be coded as an activity exclusive to one gender. I know plenty of guys into stuff like that. I've heard others describe this phenomenon as a way to question the accuracy of outcomes predicted by the secularization thesis.

    Regardless, I still am diplomatic with people who like that stuff, despite me not believing in it. I don't want to come off the same way the New Atheists did when discussing religion. That sort of militant attitude can be off-putting when trying to make the case for socialism.

    I'd say the best way to discourage taking such practices too seriously, I'd suggest deconstructing such practices by reading about it's history. Understanding the history of a topic helps one realize the fallible and changing nature of a supposedly unchanging process for discerning truth. I use the same approach with religion

    • buckykat [none/use name]
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      4 days ago

      This "space left by religion" shit never made sense to me. Is that a thing other people/normal people/neurotypicals actually experience?

      • Philosophosphorous [comrade/them, he/him]
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        3 days ago

        i'm definitely not neurotypical and have had some wild experiences that lead me to ontological inquiry, the insinuation that 'lmao only normies do that not me i'm so much better and above it all' is pretty toxic imo

      • ped_xing [he/him]
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        3 days ago

        Have you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future? I showed it to somebody who left religion decades earlier and could see what a gut punch it still was. I think he had basically substituted indefinite space exploration for heaven and finding out that even that's not an option was like losing faith a second time.

        • buckykat [none/use name]
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          3 days ago

          Future events more distant than the entirety of human civilization are filed firmly under Not My Problem

        • buckykat [none/use name]
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          3 days ago

          This feels like you're playing a little semantic trick with the ambiguity of the meaning of belief, conflating ideology and metaphysics.