People's relationship to "real" food is very strange. Vegan alternatives are often clowned out for having additives and stuff (which are usually just regular nuts, veggies, beans or some sort of nut/veggie/bean byproduct) and it's "fake". Carnist foods are also full of additives and stuff (though its often just preservative chemicals or corn, it's always corn) and it's "real". Also I think it's very strange that inventive alternatives are seen as "fake"/"not real", like sour cream from a coconut is just kinda rad as hell to me.

I would have more respect for carnist if they had the courage to actually understand their consumption and go to butcher. Totally not saying it's okay or advocating anything like that, more so I'm saying I wish they didn't have the shield of all systems that obfuscate the animal flesh they consume. They just get their sour cream from store and either actively choose not to think or, to be sort of fair to people, are so conditioned by the various systems of power to not think about how anything they eat is made. It's "real" to them because they don't have to ever think about what makes it "real". Which is both astoundingly lazy and astonishingly cowardly if you ask me.