Good point. This is why is important for anyone in the zionist entity to stop being a zionist. When South Africa ended apartheid a lot of whities remained and weren't ethnically cleansed nor etc, unlike what zionists want to do with most non-jews living in Palestine.
And of course that's why there's a difference between settler and immigrant. Zionism is literally a settler colonial project, not a "let's all move to Levant and leave in peace and prosperity there" project
Agree in theory, but it would be practically impossible. Which I guess is the point I'm trying to make with most Israelis, barring the recent settler movement. This sentiment is just a meme and not something we can practically do irl.
I've thought about this idea for a while now, but with a different context. I'm American, but my ancestors were forcibly brought here as slaves.
America should belong to the indigenous people that have been here and have had this land stolen from them by Europeans. But I didn't choose to be here, and neither did my ancestors. Where will I go? Just randomly show up in Nigeria, where I'm "from" but have zero actual connection to?
Up to what the indigenous people want and arrive at consensus with through whatever process they develop. It could be like Algeria where there's mass expulsion or it could be like South Africa where there's integration. No country with indigenous people being such a minority of the population has ever been decolonized so there is no blueprint about what it could look like.
I lean towards integration although I recognize the South African integration has largely failed, and it should be approached in a different way (how, I am unsure).
I don't really believe white leftists when they promote expulsion, tbh. I highly doubt white leftists are gonna get up and leave America if indigenous people demand it, and it comes across to me as performative self flagellation.
If the settler wants to live the settler can simply leave and go back to the country they came from.
This is not a luxury afforded to the native people being exterminated. Quite simple really
If someone was born in Israel, what country should they go back to?
Palestine
Good point. This is why is important for anyone in the zionist entity to stop being a zionist. When South Africa ended apartheid a lot of whities remained and weren't ethnically cleansed nor etc, unlike what zionists want to do with most non-jews living in Palestine.
And of course that's why there's a difference between settler and immigrant. Zionism is literally a settler colonial project, not a "let's all move to Levant and leave in peace and prosperity there" project
78% of Israelis were born there, the time to go back would have been a generation or two ago
second best time is now
Are you American?
americans should also return to europe tbh
Agree in theory, but it would be practically impossible. Which I guess is the point I'm trying to make with most Israelis, barring the recent settler movement. This sentiment is just a meme and not something we can practically do irl.
I've thought about this idea for a while now, but with a different context. I'm American, but my ancestors were forcibly brought here as slaves.
America should belong to the indigenous people that have been here and have had this land stolen from them by Europeans. But I didn't choose to be here, and neither did my ancestors. Where will I go? Just randomly show up in Nigeria, where I'm "from" but have zero actual connection to?
yeah great cool they can go to their parents' country
oh no I was born in Algeria I could not possibly move anywhere else hon hon hon
the french settled Algeria for 150 years, you think none of them had like four generations born there?
Are you American?
In the sense of living here, and yeah the US should be decolonized too
By decolonize do you mean sending white people back to Europe en masse or do you mean reeducation of white people?
The latter is necessary, the former is a meme imo.
See my other comment
Up to what the indigenous people want and arrive at consensus with through whatever process they develop. It could be like Algeria where there's mass expulsion or it could be like South Africa where there's integration. No country with indigenous people being such a minority of the population has ever been decolonized so there is no blueprint about what it could look like.
I lean towards integration although I recognize the South African integration has largely failed, and it should be approached in a different way (how, I am unsure).
I don't really believe white leftists when they promote expulsion, tbh. I highly doubt white leftists are gonna get up and leave America if indigenous people demand it, and it comes across to me as performative self flagellation.
Should we have a grandfather clause for stolen land?
Are you American?