• Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    17 hours ago

    I'd be fine with explicit onscreen sex. Just not in this culture or anything remotely like this culture.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      16 hours ago

      I'd be happy with more sensuality in fiction and cinema. But the the plastic horniness and coercive/exploitative/violent presentation of what we get fucking sucks and I hate it.

      Is it such a big ask for visibly adult women to be horny and have fun with their bodies (or perish the thought, men too)? Does it always have to be "NYAAAAAH YOU SAW MY PANTIES SENPAI" or (insert movie trailer dry humping against wall here) or awooga libertarian-alert hypersus Gambo shit?

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        14 hours ago

        Right? It's awful. Browse through one of those sites that collects nude scenes in movies and compare how often nudity is used in a scene that is positive and joyful compared to how often it's used for shame, humiliation, violence, weakness.

        I think the simple fact that hollywood cannot and will not show an erect penis, ever, is incredibly damning. It's such a banal, innocuous thing, but somehow it's utterly taboo to show a straightforward, visible sign of arousal and excitement during a sex scene!

        Even when the characters are having a good time, you rarely see any intimacy. The characters don't smile at each other, giggle, play with each other's hair, pause just to be present. It's so often this incredibly rigid formula, a performance of a performance of a performance of sex.

        I've heard a rumor that the mpaa will deny a rating to any movie where someone 1.) Goes down on a woman for more than six seconds and 2.) The woman is obvious having a good time.

        Like we have a cultural supreme court that exists specifically to prevent media depictions of sex from being too happy, too loving, too full of wonder and joy and life. Idk if the rumor is true but it sure as hell feels true.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          14 hours ago

          There's a well known Burgerland quirk where (CW: gore)

          spoiler

          sucking on a nipple is considered "X-Rated" but chopping a breast off with a meat cleaver is just "R-Rated."

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            14 hours ago

            God fuck the MPAA it's such a disgusting, socially violent institution. There's just layers and layers of systems in America devoted to twisting, distorting, and misrepresenting sex and intimacy, a whole fucking bureaucracy to ensure no one ever sees sex in a positive, easy, light, and joyful presentation.

      • PKMKII [none/use name]
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        16 hours ago

        Because hetero women having sexual desires they need fulfilled implies that men have to step up and actually care about fulfilling a woman’s needs, and that’s too intimidating/selfless for these dorks. So instead we get either “I’m not that kind of girl!” or sex being purely a social leveraging tool for women.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          16 hours ago

          I think that's a huge part of it.

          Contemporary hogs, from otaku/weebs to boomers, are put off or even afraid of women wanting sex rather than sex being something "earned" by men (in some transactional way that isn't actually about making the woman happy) or something women are tricked into, or worse.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            15 hours ago

            I remember talking with a boomer family member, and he sort of timidly revealed that he thought most of the women he'd slept with didn't think they were allowed to enjoy sex or relax. He didn't know what to do with that and clearly found it unsettling. Like, even if they knew the problem was there, what tools did they even have surrounded by that society?

            And some days it feels like we're headed back there with the recent manifestations of neo-puritanism clawing back at gains made over decades where women are finally allowed to be horny, to enjoy sex, and to demand good sex.

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              14 hours ago

              We're experiencing a hellish hybrid of puritanism and coarse hedonism where sex is a guilty shameful thing that is supposed to be indulged in in goon caves and even in fictional presentations is something to be coerced out of feeemales because it'd be too scary for women to openly want sex.

              • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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                14 hours ago

                Right? Sex is forbidden, but if it's allowed it has to be violent, shameful, bad, mechanical, or all four. You can fuck but you're not allowed to let anyone see you enjoy fucking.

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                  14 hours ago

                  Repression and "purity" culture are just hog fetishes applied to society willing or not.

                • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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                  13 hours ago

                  Most of these were ways to get around the Hayes code when showing sex (or queer people just existing) for decades, and it shapes how Hollywood makes movies until this day because art under capitalism is believed to have to stick to conventions to work as a commodity and Hollywood is particularly bad in that regard.