Sorry, not sorry Elon.

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    • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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      It's hard to gauge her reasoning from the tabloid-tier tweeting but I agree with her prognosis. Space tourism in its current state is an extremely selfish endeavour with the resources required to send someone beyond earth's atmosphere, let alone bring them back alive. At worst her heart is in the right space.

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        • vegeta1 [he/him]
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          Seeing the cost of ISS per person per day makes me wonder how many of these goofballs think they're gonna get to go hahaha

      • GlueBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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        I'm reposting my previous comment on another post about space. Here it is.

        I don't care about space bc:

        1. We need to save our planet first before we can think about moving anywhere else.

        2. We have no sustainable human civilizations in Antarctica or under water, we should prioritize building in/on the most inhospitable parts before we think about other planets.

        3. I honestly don't care about billionaires' pet projects and I don't find any inspiration in their space walks and vanity visits. We know this is all meant for the most wealthy and will not be accessible to the masses (besides the purpose of slave labor). You won't catch me giving a solitary fuck about space when it comes from a scientist's mouth, let alone a politician.

        4. We have wars and genocides, we have starvation and pandemics of preventable illnesses. We have so much more pressing issues than space travel.

        I stand with what I posted, I really dgaf about space in any way shape or form. It's just bazinga brain shit from A to Z unless you're an actual astrophysicist doing research.

        Edit: I have an amendment for number 2, what I mean is: if we can't even build on Antarctica or underwater, why should anyone believe we are going to build settlements on another planet?

        "I can't lift 45 kg at the gym, but I'm going to try to lift the 90 kg weights anyway."

        • gay_king_prince_charles [she/her, he/him]
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          I don't think you understand the point of space exploration.

          The goal isn't "moving anywhere else". There has never been a serious proposal to move a large number of people to a different planet for a long period of time. The point of space travel isn't evacuation, it is improving life on earth. Space travel involves a series of extraordinarily difficult challenges that result in useful spinoff technologies. It is true that things like docking two ships in space doesn't improve anyone's life, but that requires quickly pulsing lasers that were later used for LASIK. Spacewalks might not be inspiring, but the insulation used in spacesuits has been used to develop space blankets which are undeniably useful. I don't think we will save the planet without space exploration because it has lead to things like solar panels, GPS, weather detection, improved ability to quantify climate change, improved water production, and other things. Space exploration is a positive venture, not because it allows humans to leave earth, but because it makes our lives better.

          Space exploration isn't that expensive either. The most well funded space program in the world costs 20bil/yr, and the most it ever cost was 50bil/yr. For reference, this is a rounding error compared to defense. I agree that we have much more pressing issues, but those are a result of capitalism, not poor resource allocation. Currently and historically, socialist societies have understood the value of research and spinoff technologies and have invested into socialist technologies.

          I agree that billionaire space programs accomplish next to nothing, though.

    • ThermonuclearEgg [she/her, they/them]
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      It does often signal a bit of "the problems on Earth don't matter and there's nothing and no one there that I care about" selfishness and a whole lot of juvenile escapism on top of that

      That's my unironic take as well.

      I think it's not ethical under capitalism to be throwing this much money into space while people's basic needs aren't met.

      It would probably take a luxury space gay communism type thing for me to visit other planets, because even if a socialist society where people's needs are met hypothetically would want me to assist their space program, my skill set would very likely be more useful here on Earth.

      Even to go to orbit, it would take a fairly advanced socialist society perhaps where orbital flight is a viable means of planetary transportation to the general public to be ethical IMHO

      Addendum: This isn't to say that space programs themselves are 100% unethical even under capitalism — they've definitely helped life on Earth so far by necessity of new materials that withstand extreme conditions. Elon's bazinga tourism is 100% unethical though.

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