HuffPost obtained a White House message to senators ahead of a crucial vote on sending the Israelis more arms amid the Gaza and Lebanon wars. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) is helping the administration shield the policy.
Amazing how quickly they gave up on finger wagging over Israel not allowing in aid supplies
The strategic blunders from the Democrats on all levels is incredible. They're throwing the progressive anti-war libs to the left, they're giving well-meaning libs an experiential crash course in how Hasbara propaganda works.
The way they have been peeling people off of liberalism recently is just remarkable.
i think it's a bubble effect of the democrats who have lost touch with americans.
3 out of the 5 software developer leftists that first introduced me to marxist/leninist theory switched to either becoming a hard core capitalist or keep their mouths shut because of the disgustingly high salaries they get from their software engineering jobs.
The way they have been peeling people off of liberalism recently is just remarkable.
The problem is that our "Trump will end democracy if we don't vote against him!" #Resistance media is rapidly transforming into a "Trump is actually cool and good, and we're excited to see what he does next" court full of supplicants. The MSNBC Liberals aren't getting a crash course in how Hasbara works, they're getting an earful of propaganda that they'll inevitably believe.
Liberals are being peeled off, but they're not turning left. They're going to be diverted into "We need to be more fascist if we want to win elections" Bush Era conservatism. The leftists, meanwhile, are going to keep getting the OWS/BLM/anti-Genocide treatment. We're already seeing that with the naked hostility aimed at Sarah McBride. Nevermind the treatment of Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman.
The MSNBC Liberals aren't getting a crash course in how Hasbara works
I was thinking more like the well-meaning libs who oppose war or want to see military aid to Israel being stopped.
Being called a Hamas-sympathiser is going to be a slap in the face and I think it's going to make them realise how often Hasbara trolls resort to claiming everything is Hamas. It would be hard to go back to believing the narratives coming out of Israel after a wake-up call like that.
Being called a Hamas-sympathiser is going to be a slap in the face
Bullying works. This isn't going to make them break from the Liberal Party, its going to make them break from Palestine.
I'd say that the election results are a pretty clear indication that bullying like this, in an abstract way, doesn't work at all and that it didn't make people break with Palestine but it made them break with the Democrats.
Imagine you're a well-meaning lib who is pretty progressive and you just want to see a stop to the genocide. You've always been anti-war because war is bad. You think you can change the system from the inside and that the Democrats are capable of reform.
Then the Democratic Party leadership calls you a terrorist because you oppose war (progressives like these are usually pretty strongly opposed to Hamas and view them that way).
I just don't see many people packing up their anti-war, anti-genocide stance in the face of that bullying. I see far more people waking up to the reality of how far right the Dems have shifted and how unwilling they are to reform, of how incapable the whole system is of reform. I just don't see these people facing slander like that any then being like "Welp, I guess I'm pro-war now and it turns out I had it completely backwards on genocide"
It would be hard to go back to believing the narratives coming out of Israel after a wake-up call like that.
If liberal media can reform Dick Cheney and George Bush inside eight years, they can bring Libs around on Israel within a week of a ceasefire.
What makes you think that a ceasefire is on the cards?
I just don't see many people packing up their anti-war, anti-genocide stance in the face of that bullying
I see plenty of liberals in Houston doing just that. "It's just not a winning issue" and "<Other Thing> is too important" get bandied about so regularly...
What makes you think that a ceasefire is on the cards?
Eventually Israel runs out of gas. Their economy is already in the tank and they've got a huge domestic labor crisis.
Also, with the courts hostile to Netanyahu, it doesn't look like Forever War is going to forestall his legal problems any longer.
The strategic blunders from the Democrats on all levels is incredible. They're throwing the progressive anti-war libs to the left, they're giving well-meaning libs an experiential crash course in how Hasbara propaganda works.
The way they have been peeling people off of liberalism recently is just remarkable.
i think it's a bubble effect of the democrats who have lost touch with americans.
3 out of the 5 software developer leftists that first introduced me to marxist/leninist theory switched to either becoming a hard core capitalist or keep their mouths shut because of the disgustingly high salaries they get from their software engineering jobs.
I don't think they were in touch to begin with. The plain fact is that 2015-2021 everyone who wasn't in MAGA was cosplaying.
Cowards, all. The opportunity to be a class traitor to the worst of all classes is the only reason to even have a software job.
the worst part for me is that i really like them as people; i aspired to emulate one once in a few ways.
Identifying your core self is still an accomplishment to be cherished. You've evolved
DEFINITELY haven't figured out the core self part yet. lol
but thanks for the kind words nonetheless.
The problem is that our "Trump will end democracy if we don't vote against him!" #Resistance media is rapidly transforming into a "Trump is actually cool and good, and we're excited to see what he does next" court full of supplicants. The MSNBC Liberals aren't getting a crash course in how Hasbara works, they're getting an earful of propaganda that they'll inevitably believe.
Liberals are being peeled off, but they're not turning left. They're going to be diverted into "We need to be more fascist if we want to win elections" Bush Era conservatism. The leftists, meanwhile, are going to keep getting the OWS/BLM/anti-Genocide treatment. We're already seeing that with the naked hostility aimed at Sarah McBride. Nevermind the treatment of Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman.
Liberals siding with Fascists, a love story as old as
timesomewhere in the interwar period.I was thinking more like the well-meaning libs who oppose war or want to see military aid to Israel being stopped.
Being called a Hamas-sympathiser is going to be a slap in the face and I think it's going to make them realise how often Hasbara trolls resort to claiming everything is Hamas. It would be hard to go back to believing the narratives coming out of Israel after a wake-up call like that.
Bullying works. This isn't going to make them break from the Liberal Party, its going to make them break from Palestine.
If liberal media can reform Dick Cheney and George Bush inside eight years, they can bring Libs around on Israel within a week of a ceasefire.
I'd say that the election results are a pretty clear indication that bullying like this, in an abstract way, doesn't work at all and that it didn't make people break with Palestine but it made them break with the Democrats.
Imagine you're a well-meaning lib who is pretty progressive and you just want to see a stop to the genocide. You've always been anti-war because war is bad. You think you can change the system from the inside and that the Democrats are capable of reform.
Then the Democratic Party leadership calls you a terrorist because you oppose war (progressives like these are usually pretty strongly opposed to Hamas and view them that way).
I just don't see many people packing up their anti-war, anti-genocide stance in the face of that bullying. I see far more people waking up to the reality of how far right the Dems have shifted and how unwilling they are to reform, of how incapable the whole system is of reform. I just don't see these people facing slander like that any then being like "Welp, I guess I'm pro-war now and it turns out I had it completely backwards on genocide"
What makes you think that a ceasefire is on the cards?
I see plenty of liberals in Houston doing just that. "It's just not a winning issue" and "<Other Thing> is too important" get bandied about so regularly...
Eventually Israel runs out of gas. Their economy is already in the tank and they've got a huge domestic labor crisis.
Also, with the courts hostile to Netanyahu, it doesn't look like Forever War is going to forestall his legal problems any longer.