Oh believe me i have tried. He's amenable but those two are even more stubborn than I am and unfortunately it's off the table. MIL loves her cable news. Loves the cable experience. Yes i know that sounds nuts but it's the only way i can describe how she is with it... She'll browse that slow loading list of mostly bullshit channels like she's digging for gold. She told me once watching the news with her father is a cherished childhood memory. It's bonkers man, but i dunno how to extract worms so deeply buried.