I know we have our Marxist definition and all that, but it seems to be a really pervasive brainworms, everywhere I go. Some people I've talked to think for instance, all scientists are silver spooned and never worked a day in their life because they don't do construction, or whatever.

How do you argue with people like this? Can you?

  • Sulvor [he/him, undecided]M
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    24 hours ago

    I mean the “PMC” are, by definition, not bourgeoisie.

    Does an an occupational or physical therapist who is on their feet all day working with people hands on, but also in a management position, making 75k, renting, and not owning anything still qualify as PMC?

    The usage of PMC always struck me as odd because it’s so vague. Like yeah, obviously the doctor or lawyer making 400k is definitely part of it, but what I described above fits the definition, and I would consider them as working class.

    • MF_COOM [he/him]
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      23 hours ago

      The dominant "center left" parties in all western democracies that I can think of have become parties staffed and supported primarily by those making 100k+ due to their credentials. Like it or not is a group that is dominant in occupying media and cultural space, defining western hegemony for the rest of us - which is why they're so thoroughly despised. They have an anti-Midas effect of turning any policy they champion to shit because nobody trusts them.

      If you want to have any hope of organizing an alternative to neoliberalism you need to incorporate this group into your theory, because the world doesn't only see things split into workers and owners just because Marx did and to win you need to be able to talk to the world.

      Whether you want to use the term PMC is less important I don't really care take it or leave it.

    • PointAndClique [they/them]
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      16 hours ago

      I think that's a vagarie (sp??) of English. To me, a PMC is a person whose primary profession is being a manager, not a professional who manages. In my experience people in the latter category have 'people management duties' or are 'line managers' but that isn't their job title. I don't know if it's a distinction without a difference though. In my understanding PMCs as their own entity only really become a thing in sufficiently large organisations. I should read graeber lol