Taiwan struggle session goes here. Please include sources with your claims if you can.

  • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Taiwan is not a country

    Its not what they've historically called themselves and it's not what is on their passports. What is on their passport is the "Republic of China" and the ROC claims the entire mainland (the PRC) and parts of Mongolia/india/japan and Myanmar as their territory.

    ROC is a illegitimate state that no one except a handful of pacific Islands recognise and were it not for the White supremacist USA existing the PRC would've rolled over ROC 7 decades ago and the civil war would've ended there

    There is currently a hangmans noose around PRC and ROC has been at the forefront of this war against China. Acting in the interests of the international bourgeoisie and principally the USA by being an unsinkable aircraft carrier off the coast of China.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vAfeYMONj9E

    The KMT fled to Taiwan massacred the natives (the people who did deserve the right of self determination) then used Taiwan as a base for sabotage, assassination and attempted reinvasion of China all helped by USA. Chiang Kai Shek was gearing up for an invasion as late as the 60s during Chinas famine

    As this lib explains (from a lib "taiwan is a free country perspective") that once Taiwan falls it opens up the ocean for the Chinese navy and the ability for US to protect Japan/Korea comes into question and the US alliances will likely fall apart

    But there’s more to this than nationalism and identity. Taiwan’s position in the so-called “first island chain” skirting China’s southeast makes it HIGHLY important from a strategic point of view. Controlling it could fatally undermine America’s current power in the region. “If Taiwan falls. If Taiwan were to be occupied by the Chinese military… Analyst Ian Easton wrote a book “The Chinese Invasion Threat” working through these strategic questions. “Then it becomes almost impossible to defend our entire network of treaty allies in the Asia-Pacific. How do we defend Japan from a blockade at that point, or how do we defend South Korea? How do we defend the Philippines? Because at any time they could be invaded from Taiwan if China is there.”

    https://youtu.be/VkuNWDG3yNM?t=1107

    ROC does not deserve the right of self determination and PRC must take back their territory from the descendants of fascists who then aligned against the majority of Chinese people for 7 decades with the USA. It's just icing on the cake that it destroys USAs entire network of treaty allies in the Asia-pacific :chefs-kiss:

    Some accounts need to be settled and the National People’s Congress was completely correct to vote 2896 to zero on the " Republic of China" issue

    The idea of self determination for Taiwan is as ridiculous as suggesting the British in Northern Ireland should have the right of self determination.

    • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Joey you never disappoint. I often disagree with you but it's good to hear a straight up Stalinist opinion sometimes. :stalin-heart:

    • JuneFall [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      that once Taiwan falls it opens up the ocean for the Chinese navy and the ability for US to protect Japan/Korea comes into question

      Is the part that doesn't seem very materialist. Yes, Having a 300x100 square kilometers of bridge point is beneficial to project power as the US, however China got a long coast and already a dominance in naval operations and forces in the area. With post 70s naval technologies and the established naval- and air-forces the People's Republic would already able to project power in the way you claim (and could implicitly threaten invasions - if they would want to).

      However the PRC is not utilizing military aggression in foreign diplomacy.

      • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        Comrade I'll be honest I rarely go to leftists for analysis.

        On the left you can find people discussing the "self-determination of South Vietnam" during the Vietnam war. Today you can find many leftists that supported the fascist/neoliberal uprising in Belarus/Hong Kong or told everyone that Ghadaffi should be overthrown because "then they could build a real revolution for socialism".

        No, I go to liberals and far rightists for a materialist analysis most of the time and if DW (Germanys bbc) and a pro US empire liberal Ian Easton are "deeply concerned about the Empires ability to project power if Taiwan falls to China" then I am inclined to believe them.

        • ProfessorAdonisCnut [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          That deep concern is just domino theory, which is the geopolitical extension of "there goes the neighbourhood". They're always deeply concerned, they frame any minor hypothetical defeat as an existential threat.

          • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            Domino theory is correct though. Everywhere a sociaist revolution happens an uptick in class consciousness and revolutions are attempted in its neighbouring countries. This happened all over 20th century with Russia then a wave of attempts in Hungary/Finland/Germany/Ireland/Greeze/Mexico/Spain/Malta and Egypt etc.

            Then with China then a wave of attempts across Asia.

            To combat both the PRC and Communist ideology the US along with the compradors in Taiwan (the KMT) had to create an opium drug haven in it's neighbouring countries to create the Golden Triangle (Myanmar/Laos and Thailand) directed against China and communist ideology.

            Creating drug lords and turning those countries into narco states had the effect of "creating a pro business pro capitalist and anti communist and anti PRC social fabric" (Peter Dale Scott, American War Machine : Deep Politics, the CIA Global Drug Connection, and the Road to Afghanistan p.78).

            The KMT used agents for drug smuggling alongside literal ex-Nazis (Ibid p.79)

        • RedDawn [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          They act deeply concerned about everything lol

        • JuneFall [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          It is good to read their assessments, however between the possibility and the factual is a gap. Would a anti-Chinese Taiwan be a problem if you want to invade Japan? Yes. However the power to project is there already, as Taiwan is tiny compared to the strategical ports China got. The point is not if it would make stuff easier, but if Taiwan is a necessary condition - which it isn't (though would make it a load more easy, after building much more port sites).