they were nationalists, their national interests were incompatible, they fought.
i don't get why this trips communists up so bad that different anticommunists subscribing to nationalist ideologies fundamentally couldn't work together against communism, because their nations had competing claims, grudges, and interests
People point out that Churchill was against Hitler 'from the beginning' as some great moral stance when the reason was that he was a German imperialist and the Anglos didn't want anyone else at the table.
Opinions on Churchill is a great litmus test for anyone who is 'into' WW2. Your average Joe will only have seen the hagiographies, but you don't have to scratch further than millimetres under the surface to find this kind of shit.
I used to listen to 'historiepodden' and was annoyed at some of the libbery and such, but not a lot of history podcasts that focus on Swedish history around. But I had to drop it after one of the hosts went on a rant about how great an injustice it was that the Brits voted Churchill out of office as he was such a great man.
“If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism.”
Churchill's speech in Rome on 20 January, 1927, praising Mussolini. He shared the fascist worldview, but joining them hand-in-hand was out of the question due to his national identity.
How did Churchill not join Hitler again? This is textbook orc shit.
Didn't Stalin call his ass out on trying to cook up some sort of anticommunist pact with Hitler?
they were nationalists, their national interests were incompatible, they fought.
i don't get why this trips communists up so bad that different anticommunists subscribing to nationalist ideologies fundamentally couldn't work together against communism, because their nations had competing claims, grudges, and interests
People point out that Churchill was against Hitler 'from the beginning' as some great moral stance when the reason was that he was a German imperialist and the Anglos didn't want anyone else at the table.
Opinions on Churchill is a great litmus test for anyone who is 'into' WW2. Your average Joe will only have seen the hagiographies, but you don't have to scratch further than millimetres under the surface to find this kind of shit.
I used to listen to 'historiepodden' and was annoyed at some of the libbery and such, but not a lot of history podcasts that focus on Swedish history around. But I had to drop it after one of the hosts went on a rant about how great an injustice it was that the Brits voted Churchill out of office as he was such a great man.
“If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism.”
Churchill's speech in Rome on 20 January, 1927, praising Mussolini. He shared the fascist worldview, but joining them hand-in-hand was out of the question due to his national identity.
Unfair to lump them in with Orc-kind. Orcs are more honorable.