I've been speaking with other more informed communists and they've told me that none actually exist. Is this true?
China, Laos, and Vietnam: now notoriously capitalists. Workers work 12+ hours with no protection in horrible factory conditions. Suicide rates are so high that suicide nets are installed. The air is so polluted millions die from lung cancer, especially factory workers w/out basic masks. Corporations dominate
North Korea: Undemocratically ruled by the Kim dynasty. Jong un indulges lavishly at the expense of his citizens, ordering millions in fine wine and trips from Denis Rodman. They might be the most socialist though, as Juche seems to otherwise be democratic.
Cuba: Sanctions have taken a massive toll, but even taking that into account the country still has its own problems. They have massive food shortages and inventory probs and aren't self sufficient after 60+ years. Why couldn't they've use machinery imported from the Soviet Union to develop their agriculture and fishery? The Soviets supported them heavily. They seem to be incredibly mismanaged or corrupt
https://www.ned.org/2018-democracy-award/2018-democracy-award-honoree-citizens-alliance-for-north-korean-human-rights-nkhr/
you realize that second link is from an article funded by the fucking NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY
you literally referenced the CIA front for false flag operations and fake organizations
Im fucking giddy are you this stupid on accident or born with a badge?
THE FUCKING NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY
eheheheheheheheeeeeeeeeee oh my god this is so fuckin easy
You remind me of the Nazi who skims articles looking for a Jewish sounding name so they can dismiss it outright. Do you have any contention with the content of the article, or is ad hominem really the best thing you can come up with?
Rightful criticism of a known CIA front org is the same thing as Nazi persecution of Jewish people is one hell of a take
Seriously, get a fuckin grip
Both you and the Nazi will point to any name they can associate with the source of a document, and use it to claim it should not be taken seriously. The only difference is that they call it removed globalism, and you call it bourgeois westerners.
Are you denying the existence of the 10 principles? If you are not, are you complaining about the translation?
Yeah that’s kinda the fundamental crux of the inherent difference between those groups you dumb fuck lmao, do you even read what you're typing
"Checking sources is Nazism actually" lmao you clueless child, get a grip and stay in school
Do you believe the 10 principles are real, fash?
Cite them, correctly
Cite what?
Give a real source on where its from, without using a CIA org
You are being as reasonable as a Nazi asking me to provide evidence of the Holocaust without citing a Jewish group
and there it is again, the cowardice
But, like, the CIA is not a persecuted ethnic group
We need to address the prejudice against people who work for the CIA sweety insert lib emote (I'm on my phone so can't rn)
Yes, I am.
Also yes.
So I tried to find a different translation. I spent about 10 minutes on google looking for a different translation or at the very least more context about these alleged "10 principles". It seems like there is only one translation in existence, which I find to be very odd. The text as you've presented it is not long nor particularly difficult, so it shouldn't be difficult to translate. I would assume, then, that more than one person would have produced a translation and posted it to the internet, at least if the original korean text were widely available. And if these "10 principles" were official dprk policy, surely the korean text would be easily found.
So why can I only find one translation? Maybe you can help me out here. Can you find another translation for me please? I'll also accept the original text in korean if that's easier.
Hey @anarchost@lemm.ee, let's keep the conversation public, buddy. I've copied your dm to me below:
Just give me the original text in korean or a different translation of them. Please?
Two more dm's from this creep:
I'm so honored to have been among the group of people who got asked that shitty gotcha about Hitler.
Anyway, don't bother talking to this idiot! They're not worth the effort.
oh my god is the whole thing not even real?
and keep posting his dms, he's been doing it instead of engaging with the post.
and welcome to the "apparently a nazi for questioning the CIA" club
If your source is funded by the CIA i don't care
and you're a braindead bitch if you think you can just compare everyone to nazis without sounding like a toddler
I know you don't care. You are not a leftist, after all, which is very obvious when comparing the way you dismiss sources with identical reasoning as Nazis, and refuse to participate in the conversation.
Your belief in Horseshoe theory is only something a stupid ass liberal could. You aren't anything but a brainless libshit. Get yourself a single original thought and not one funded by the CIA, then I'll deign to give two shits about anything you say.
Horseshoe theory would imply you are a leftist.
You aren't.
I would love it if you adopted left-wing beliefs, rather than campism, and I would love it if you stopped denying the anti-LGBT agendas of the countries you have been taught to support. I hope you break out of the cult, though!
"youre a right winger because i said so" Okay buddy, you're such a good kid, now go play with your friends.
Oh baby you've been only proporting State department bull and the literal CIA, you seem to be fully incapable of research!
I hope you break out of your programming, liberal! I'm right here for when you apologize for your US party line opinions.
Nazis and pro Israel reactionaries say the exact same thing using the exact same logic as you. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
What actual left-wing ideals do you support, or is it just all labels with you?
Nazis and pro Israel reactionaries don't criticize the CIA and its front orgs, you're literally a dumb fuck who doesn't know how to differentiate between disparate ideologies
Where the fuck do you get off accusing others of being Nazis while you defend one of the primary funders of international neo-nazism, post hog you worm
Are you kidding? Nazis love criticizing the CIA and everything they consider too globalist.
CIA members have been and are proponents of Nazism you dumb fuck, you think the incoherent babble of some random skinhead somewhere invalidates the documented history of CIA collusion and funding of neo-Nazis orgs from Ukraine, Germany, Belgium, to the United States?
I mean of course you do because you're a pathetic troll who lacks the proper historical knowledge to successfully troll an instance like this, so you throw shit at the wall hoping beyond hope for something to stick, word of advice you should've pretended to be a trot
Good point. I won't take your babbling seriously anymore
Your definition of arguing is citing the CIA and calling all your critics nazis
the context what matters, not the argument. I'd like to point out that casting all your enemies as 'nazis' doesn't really paint you in a good light either. I understand you're going for shock value, but I don't think you know I just don't care due to how stupid it is.
I'd like to list them, but then you'd go on some tirade to derail the convo, so im not going to give them to you.
Oh, you care about not derailing the conversation? Great, then read the document that triggers you, tell me whether it is right or wrong. We can go from there.
Hold back all your complaints about how the documents are made by too many Jews, or too many globalists, or whatever your buzzword is this week, and we can get to those after we're done with that. Deal?
No, the sources are not viable whatsoever, not even primary sources, but CIA front orgs, and one that has no sources cited.
Give me a Korean source, preferably not government, right wing, or the CIA
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"If you don't like my sources you are basically a genocidal, jew-hating nazi" is not good faith either. Get your head out of your ass
Renounce your CIA citation and I'll deign to care about your shitty opinions.
The source is Korean.
If you had paused long enough to stop vomiting Nazi level ideology, you might have noticed that
Right-wing Korean tabloid press concerning North Korea has been debunked by independent South Korean media orgs for decades, to the point it's become a meme in South Korea
You don't know what NED is or the history of American funded right-wing media in South Korea, you're like a Qanon supporter accusing people of being pedo supporters because they don't believe nonsense made up by right-wing conspiracy rags, which YOU are also using as sources lmao
Again, get a grip and learn some media literacy shitlib
That sounds fascinating. Please post multiple links to the South Korean Independent organizations that have debunked them.
As a side note, I take it you personally condemn the Grayzone, all CCP funded media, all Vietnamese state funded media, all Russian state funded media, all Syrian state funded media, etc?
You ever heard of this concept called 'critical analysis' or do you just go around in life believing everything you read and excommunicating everything that upsets like some sophist pope
Also you wormlike hypocrite, when are you gonna condemn the sources you just used? You've been informed of their origin and yet not a word of condemnation for one of the most horrifically fascistic organizations in human history
Uses fash sources, then accuses other people of being fash, you learn that trick on pol you dumb fuck?
Show me your critical analysis in action. Critically analyze the content
Sorrrry, I don't teach people who peddle fash sources :)
But I can show you this proof
spoiler
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Piggy PROOF Balls :kelly:
I condemn the CIA. Do you condemn all Russian, CCP, and Vietnamese state media equally?
No you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be using their sources you dumb fuck
How many governments has Russian, CCP, and Vietnamese state media helped overthrown? Again 'critical analysis' shitlib, it's a wondrous concept
Inb4 muh russiagate gets mentioned.
Why can't you condemn state propaganda?
Bro you got long covid, go to the doctor
Whatever you say fash
Says the CIA stooge, keep misusing terms you heard on pol dipshit
Why can you only cite US state propaganda
You don't have any problem with state propaganda.
1, that was a deflection
2, I have a problem with CIA propaganda, since they are an organization hell bent on lying about us and killing every single red in existence to further the interests of American Capital
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korean dont mean shit
D-
Do you not know that SKorea is a US puppet? Do you actually believe it is a sovereign nation with no US control?
The USA has direct control of the SKorean military during wartime, how can you be sovereign when you can't even control your own army.
And you don't seem to know basic cold war history if you don't know what the NED is.
You know, if you used your own logic, you wouldn't believe Hitler ordered the Holocaust.
So... With that in mind, where do you stand on that?
No, there are literal documents from the reich that he did so, as well as soviet and american ones. It also lines up perfectly with the ideology of hitler and what he said he was going to do.
How long has it been since you've talked to another human being?
That doesn't even make sense with context, what the fuck are you talking about.
Your logic dictates that American documents must be discarded because they are Western chauvinist. Because the Soviet Union was collaborating with America, they must also be discarded. So we are left with the Nazi documents of which there are none.
So are you telling me that you believe Hitler never ordered the Holocaust, or are you about to revise the way you believe things?
what the
whaaaa
are you saying
Are you saying that the Soviets are PUPPETS OF THE USA?!
Dronie you've made a leap large enough to cross the space between the earth and moon.
God I can't take you seriously.
Renounce the CIA citation and then I'll care
I'm sorry, did you ever substantiate your moon logic that North Korea is a permanent puppet of the United States?
How in the fucking hell is the DPRK a US puppet?
What the fuck are you saying? There are a ton of Nazi documents that were used to prove a great deal about the Holocaust. There were cases of extensive destruction of documents, but they didn't do that everywhere.
You keep saying this and if you knew anything about Holocaust historiography and were speaking in good faith, it would be a really weird thing to say.
https://www.holocaustcentre.org.nz/uploads/1/1/5/2/115245341/interpretations-of-the-holocaust.pdf
Hitler was obviously an enthusiastic facilitator of the Holocaust, but to say that he "ordered" is a really fraught claim. It's not like gas chambers or even death camps were his idea, or only put to use killing Jewish people after he approved of them. To my knowledge, he did order the removal of Jewish people from all the society controlled by Nazis and did seek for them to be eradicated, but when you say "ordered the Holocaust" it makes it sound like it was much more centrally-organized than it was. The fascist higher-ups on a municipal level understood it was part of their job to "purge" the Jewish population, but how they were to go about it often was not handed down to them, so they devised their own methods (and, if they reported success, their method was sometimes applied elsewhere). Whether what Hitler did say amounts to "ordering the Holocaust" vs the Holocaust being one of several possible outcomes that would have fallen within his orders is a matter of debate (to be clear, he did order genocide of Jews in a broader sense, but the Holocaust was not only work camps, which still would have been genocide due to many factors, and should not be understood as such).
I don't know, it's just weird, you are very self-serious about history while demonstrating confident ignorance.