• culpritus [any]
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    1 year ago

    What about that whole 'Ukraine did Nordstream' narrative? Guess Germany knows it's a cover story.

      • FuckyWucky [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        he doesn't really need to do that. throwing money at a problem limited by real resources doesn't solve shit. Russia has the advantage right now, even western media is admitting it.

        Capitalism is funny. When something is limited by the lack of money (say high speed rail), they say there is no money because fiscal deficit limit etc etc even though there is labor and resources available to build the same. When something is limited by lack of resources (say soldiers), they pump unnecessary amounts of money which is bound to leak out.

  • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    But there's no additional money available for infrastructure and social services within Germany. Something something Bundeshaushalt excuse and EU federal debt limit.

    • Metal Zealot@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Whew, watch out, I mentioned the same kind of sentiment on a post about the billions of dollars that America is sending for the war, and got lectured on "that's not how government budgeting works and you know it blah blah blah"

      • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        It's neat how it's so easy for capitalist governments to authorize money for killing people, but when it comes to social spending there isn't even a penny to spare.

        The German finance minister has been gleeful up on his high horse preventing additional spending on important things Germans need, but approved a €100B special fund for the military in 2022 outside of the bounds of the federal budget.

        I think it's also worth mentioning that most of the US "aid" is actually loans. Even their food aid comes with real strong strings attached. The US owns Ukraine at this point. Although I'd don't know how German aid spending or military spending in support of Israel in general is structured.

        • Metal Zealot@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          Investing in making people die over-seas, rather than the wellbeing of their own population that essentially pays their wage...
          Yea, anyone would find that blatantly suspicious. Their goals are perfectly clear.

          But people have drank so much USA Koolaid that they cant possibly imagine a country running any differently.

          • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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            1 year ago

            It's not just Koolaid.

            The relative domestic prosperity of the US is built upon that very overseas death and exploitation.

            The people of the imperial core have some material interest in keeping that system of oppression going, even if they don't realize it or think about it in those terms.

              • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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                1 year ago

                I don't think I can agree with that.

                Of course the capitalist class generally know what they're doing, but that's not who I was talking about.

                I meant that everyday working people have a material interest in more or less keeping the status quo. I'm not sure that you can define this group as sociopaths.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Thing is that people running the west are completely detached from material reality. If you look at their backgrounds, they all come from media, law, lobbying, and so on. They think they can just will things to happen if they want them hard enough. They don't understand that you can't just spin up factories and create an educated workforce to operate them out of thin air.

      This leads to hilarious outcome like this one where EU leaders thought they could just dump money into shell production to increase it. Instead, the price for one artillery shell has gone up to 8,000 euros from 2,000 euros due to lack of supply and increased liquidity.

      https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-urges-common-standards-curbs-protectionism-boost-artillery-output-2023-10-24/

  • huf [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    proudly standing tall on the bridge and saluting as the ship goes down...

  • Adkml [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Great timing, I'm sure everybody is forgetting how it cost a small fortune to heat their home last winter right about now.

  • cosecantphi [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    So how close to losing and being forced into an unconditional surrender does Ukraine need to be before Europe stops sending aid at their own huge expense?

  • besbin@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Is this just a kind of inflation/recession write off for the EU and USA at this point? oh, our economy is not doing so great, we are short by X% of development from project, let's just write that off as 'aids' to Ukraine/Israel

  • XTornado@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Double it and give it to the next person.

    EDIT: It was a joke about the famous stupid YouTube videos... Not saying they shouldn't give it to Ukraïne....