Funny aside, ziq hates me :D

  • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    Your enemies are also violent authoritarians, how do you propose that a nonviolent nonauthoritarian revolution protect what gains it has and resist organized violence without some level of "authoritarianism" literally every example of revolutions (anarchists and otherwise) have this feature, or they fail.

    I don't consider needing to make a unified front nearly as authoritarian as the everyday violence under capitalism.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      A unified front does not have to be authoritarian, by which we mean hierarchical top-down power structures.

      Here's a good starting point to learn more: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full#text-amuse-label-sech21

      • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        You seem to have a lot of faith in manifesting your imagination into reality. I suggest joining an organization and putting in some work, because that's how literally anything in reality get changed.

        I organize with anarchists and most of them would get called tankies by you online anarchists lmao

        • vasco@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          1 year ago

          I organize with anarchists and most of them would get called tankies by you online anarchists lmao

          This is what I say all the time around here. I really don't get all this hatred agains commies.

          • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            I will say I do get annoyed at mls ranting about anarchists in a vacuum for the exact reason, and that's honestly why I gravitated to hexbear. There's plenty we agree on, and a lot that everyone should learn from history. Trying to make some sort of us vs them thing is wrecker behavior.

            • vasco@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              1 year ago

              I agree. I myself am much more inclined to anarchism than communism. I don't see anything productive coming out of these provocations.

              Also calling everyone a tankie is pretty offensive.

              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                It's extra grating because a lot of the people calling you a tankie these days are cheering for the Merkavas in Gaza right now

                • vasco@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  1 year ago

                  It’s extra grating because a lot of the people calling you a tankie these days are cheering for the Merkavas in Gaza right now

                  right? but that isn't news. fascists always hated us.

        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          1 year ago

          You seem to have a lot of faith in manifesting your imagination into reality. I suggest joining an organization and putting in some work, because that’s how literally anything in reality get changed.

          I suggest you look at my body of work before suggesting to me to do more work.

          I organize with anarchists and most of them would get called tankies by you online anarchists lmao

          Y'all have a very western/USA-centric pespective of anarchists and it shows.

          • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            Are you in any organizations?

            Y'all have a very western/USA-centric pespective of anarchists and it shows.

            Can you elaborate? Most anarchists (not all) I've run into have been in the US, but I was saying they would get called tankies by your standards. Most of the older ones in particular.

            • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              1 year ago

              Man why do you all have to do the interrogation shtick? It's really jarring to have online randos looking into one's private life yanno?

              Can you elaborate? Most anarchists (not all) I've run into have been in the US

              I am Greek. Anarchists have a way less favorable impression of MLs, partly because our ml orgs were never destroyed like the American ones, so we get to see ml praxis daily.

              • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                I'm Greek too, as are a number of the anarchists I know- the KKE isn't in power and none of the anarchists I talked to ever took time out of their day to shittalk it either.

                • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  1 year ago

                  Εγώ έχω διαφορετικές εμπειρίες. Δεν είναι οτι το οι αναρχικοί μιλάνε για το ΚΚΕ όλη την ώρα, αλλά σίγουρα δεν συνεργάζονται μαζί τους και μπορεις πολύ συχνα να δεις πως τους αντιμετωπίζουν.

                  • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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                    1 year ago

                    I prefer to keep it so other people can read, I don't care to flex. And yeah, I would agree, they don't cooperate, but its certainly not directly antagonistic either.

                    The worst I heard was anarchists at most regard them as ineffective nerds, in particular for fucking around with parliament instead of more direct action and supporting encampments/squats. For me that's a long way from the 'red fash' depictions you get about 'authority'. One of the more cutting complaints I heard was that a group would spend more time on if its banners read as 'ML' or 'ΜΛ' to be properly decolonial instead of just going out in the street.

              • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                Man why do you all have to do the interrogation shtick? It's really jarring to have online randos looking into one's private life yanno?

                The reason I mention it is because a lot of political understanding comes from working with other people towards shared goals.

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                This reminds me, are you going to get back to the reply chain where we actually talked briefly?

                • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  1 year ago

                  You said multiple times that there's not point talking to me and continued to insult me to third parties. What possible reason would I have to continue interacting with you?