I'm saying that you can't fathom an idea that the human brain is useless against because such a thing does not exist. Here's an attempt anyway.
The universe is made of matter, it's all that exists, and it's the interaction between the matter that caused the brain to evolve and exist like it does. From the brain there are emergent concepts like love. Assume the brain has reached a point of diminishing returns, so the next step might be an entity created with computing technology, which thinks faster and has better sensors and communicates with almost unlimited bandwidth with at the speed of light, and assume immortality through replaceable parts.
Imagine that from the interaction between these lifeforms comes emergent concepts similar to love that we have no words for because the emergent behavior doesn't emerge on humanity's level, but only on a level for immortal creative compassionate calculating machines. Or imagine such lifeforms harness all the energy in a star system or galaxy or galaxy cluster and use it to make a cool machine or a new universe with different rules than ours somehow. I think a capable science fiction writer could write a story explaining what it's like between these lifeforms, or even describe the new universe and some emergent behaviors unique to that universe, and we could understand, whether or not the lifeforms exist or universe exist. (I'm about to be rambling even more, so I'll stop.)
Dolphin qualia is dope, and while I would love to swim in the ocean as a dolphin, it's for dolphins to do that. It's a fine way to exist and there's nothing meant to be dismissive when I say that. Are dolphins capable of understanding and creating fusion? More power to them! :pog-dolphin:
Alright I get what you're saying. Yeah dolphins are dope, and if we could uplift them to understand fusion and maybe us, that be doing daddy Posadas proud.
I guess what I'm saying is, we don't have a lot of good directions to go in for communication with dolphins right now. Like, I feel like it hubris to say we could ever get to that point, just because it would be so far beyond what we know we can do. And I'm pretty sure we'd have had fusion by now if it got anything more than shoestring budget.
And if I apply that forwards, if we run across some hyper-culture 5th international, I'm not sure they could communicate to us if they wanted to.
Like, our greater scope of intelligence hasn't given us a better command of interspecies communication, hell I'm not sure our command of language is necessarily better than a dolphins, maybe it's just abstract reasoning or lack of mathematics or the lack of grippy appendages holding them back from fusion. We just don't know. It's an unknown unknown. Maybe we too lack something that would let us talk to aliens.
I'm saying that you can't fathom an idea that the human brain is useless against because such a thing does not exist. Here's an attempt anyway.
The universe is made of matter, it's all that exists, and it's the interaction between the matter that caused the brain to evolve and exist like it does. From the brain there are emergent concepts like love. Assume the brain has reached a point of diminishing returns, so the next step might be an entity created with computing technology, which thinks faster and has better sensors and communicates with almost unlimited bandwidth with at the speed of light, and assume immortality through replaceable parts.
Imagine that from the interaction between these lifeforms comes emergent concepts similar to love that we have no words for because the emergent behavior doesn't emerge on humanity's level, but only on a level for immortal creative compassionate calculating machines. Or imagine such lifeforms harness all the energy in a star system or galaxy or galaxy cluster and use it to make a cool machine or a new universe with different rules than ours somehow. I think a capable science fiction writer could write a story explaining what it's like between these lifeforms, or even describe the new universe and some emergent behaviors unique to that universe, and we could understand, whether or not the lifeforms exist or universe exist. (I'm about to be rambling even more, so I'll stop.)
Dolphin qualia is dope, and while I would love to swim in the ocean as a dolphin, it's for dolphins to do that. It's a fine way to exist and there's nothing meant to be dismissive when I say that. Are dolphins capable of understanding and creating fusion? More power to them! :pog-dolphin:
Alright I get what you're saying. Yeah dolphins are dope, and if we could uplift them to understand fusion and maybe us, that be doing daddy Posadas proud.
I guess what I'm saying is, we don't have a lot of good directions to go in for communication with dolphins right now. Like, I feel like it hubris to say we could ever get to that point, just because it would be so far beyond what we know we can do. And I'm pretty sure we'd have had fusion by now if it got anything more than shoestring budget.
And if I apply that forwards, if we run across some hyper-culture 5th international, I'm not sure they could communicate to us if they wanted to.
Like, our greater scope of intelligence hasn't given us a better command of interspecies communication, hell I'm not sure our command of language is necessarily better than a dolphins, maybe it's just abstract reasoning or lack of mathematics or the lack of grippy appendages holding them back from fusion. We just don't know. It's an unknown unknown. Maybe we too lack something that would let us talk to aliens.