• RBG@discuss.tchncs.de
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    7 months ago

    Alright, I am certainly not an expert when it comes to transformation of caterpillars into butterflies but this is very likely a massive and incorrect oversimplification of the process.

    I mean this makes it sound like if you poke a hole into the cocoon it will just drip goo out until its empty.

    Happy to be corrected by a real expert but very likely transformation occurs in coordinated small steps and not just everything melts and rematerializes.

    • notabot@lemm.ee
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      7 months ago

      I'm not an expert, but there's a good overview of the process here: Nat Geo. You can de-paywall it at the usual places. They describe it more as "an organised broth full of chunky bits" as some organs don't break down.

      It's a fascinating process either way.

    • fossilesque@mander.xyz
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      7 months ago

      Here's the paper:

      https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0001736

      Insects that undergo complete metamorphosis experience enormous changes in both morphology and lifestyle. The current study examines whether larval experience can persist through pupation into adulthood in Lepidoptera, and assesses two possible mechanisms that could underlie such behavior: exposure of emerging adults to chemicals from the larval environment, or associative learning transferred to adulthood via maintenance of intact synaptic connections. Fifth instar Manduca sexta caterpillars received an electrical shock associatively paired with a specific odor in order to create a conditioned odor aversion, and were assayed for learning in a Y choice apparatus as larvae and again as adult moths. We show that larvae learned to avoid the training odor, and that this aversion was still present in the adults. The adult aversion did not result from carryover of chemicals from the larval environment, as neither applying odorants to naïve pupae nor washing the pupae of trained caterpillars resulted in a change in behavior. In addition, we report that larvae trained at third instar still showed odor aversion after two molts, as fifth instars, but did not avoid the odor as adults, consistent with the idea that post-metamorphic recall involves regions of the brain that are not produced until later in larval development. The present study, the first to demonstrate conclusively that associative memory survives metamorphosis in Lepidoptera, provokes intriguing new questions about the organization and persistence of the central nervous system during metamorphosis. Our results have both ecological and evolutionary implications, as retention of memory through metamorphosis could influence host choice by polyphagous insects, shape habitat selection, and lead to eventual sympatric speciation.

      • RBG@discuss.tchncs.de
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        7 months ago

        Yes, a paper that they retain "memories". I didn't doubt that. I doubted the "turns completely into goo and then solidifies as butterfly" part. And from what I can tell after skimming the introduction of the paper this is only covering the behavioural aspect.

        • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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          7 months ago

          Goo is somewhat metaphorical, but most internal organs get completely disassembled and reassembled in new forms. Neural tissue just changes the least.

          • RBG@discuss.tchncs.de
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            7 months ago

            Yeah, but again, this says "turns completely into goo" and thats not at all what you are describing either. Its just over-sensationalising an already impressive process. But I can see I am alone with that opinion, so whatever. Total goo it is.