My mantra is, we've lost the present (meaning the next few decades at least), but we will win the future.

What is the shape of that future, if we're being just slightly optimistic?

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Fuck slightly optimistic.

    We collapse the empire, establish a global socialist confederation, resolve the contradictions between the tendencies, fix the climate, instigate FALGSC, and end the century living forever in diamond space castles and plotting out Culture Orbital construction projects.

    :yuri: :bloomer:

  • Wojackhorseman2 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    My hopes are: The red wave in Latín America coalesces into a pan Latin America socialist republics coalition that strengthens them against imperialism,

    I’d love if China supported LA in solidarity but given that they’ve shown a disinterest in exporting revolution and taking part in all that maybe they wouldn’t but who knows, by the time to he Latin American thing got off the ground we could be looking at a different situation for China.

    Maybe together Latin America and China are able to (easily) shrug off America’s attempt to maintain imperialism in Latin America and this could be a catalyst for similar struggles in Africa bringing western imperialism to its knees. America Balkanizes. Communism in so many countries sets the stage for commintern, finally.

    • sam5673 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      They have shown an interest in Venezuela not going under but that might also be because then all the money Venezuela owes them would be gone

  • Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Personally I like to think that as more U.S. millenials and zoomers take over political positions, we'll see a gradual shrinkage of the military and a partial defunding and disarmament of the police. The welfare system will expand slightly to maybe include a public option and $15 will become the new federal minimum wage. Union membership among the total labor pool will increase to maybe something like 20%.

    The empire will still collapse (which is a good thing in and of itself), but the worst excesses of overt ecofascism that could come from that collapse will be mitigated.

    Again, this is my optimistic take.

    • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      I like your optimistic take - but I think we're likely to experience something akin to The Troubles in Ireland along the way.

        • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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          3 years ago

          God I guess that goes to show how sad my version of optimism has become. I look at The Troubles Come to America as one of the optimistic outcomes lol. Like you said, avoiding eco-fascism and eventually successfully limiting police and military harm would be great... But I don't expect society to successfully reintegrate all of those Chud cops and soldiers. I guess if the phase out happened over time it wouldn't be as drastic, but can you imagine laying off 20-30% of cops? That's gonna be a bad time.

  • IlIlIlIlIlIlIl [any]
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    3 years ago

    One thing is certain: America will collapse.

    Capitalism is not sustainable. Why? Capitalism requires infinite growth, and infinite growth is unsustainable within a finite universe.

    In the same way that infinite growth is unsustainable within a finite universe, infinite growth is unsustainable within a single country. This is the reason for Imperialism: to exploit other countries, to (temporarily) hold off the inevitable collapse of the infinite growth assumption.

    America may try to colonize and exploit other planets (this is probably the leading reason on the focus on the colonization of Mars) to (temporarily) hold off the inevitable collapse further, but it will eventually collapse.

    As Mao said (paraphrasing), Capitalism may last for 10 more years (current trajectory lmao), 100 more years (in the event that the Americans defeat and absorb the remaining anti-Imperialist governments of China and Russia), 10,000 more years (in the event that the Americans discover interplanetary travel and colonization before collapsing), or even 10,000,000 more years (in the event that the Americans discover intersolar travel and colonization before collapsing, god forbid), but it will eventually collapse.

    I know that this isn't the most optimistic take on the future, but it is a materialist analysis that will hopefully be an acceptable response to this post.

    • Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I mean, "Capitalism will end because all things end because that is the nature of entropy and the First Seal of Existence," isn't exactly the vibe I was going for with the post, but I appreciate the spirit!

      • IlIlIlIlIlIlIl [any]
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        3 years ago

        The event that America will militarily defeat China and Russia or otherwise topple them is rather low, so I wouldn't let my hopes down.

  • skeletorsass [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    The store on my way home from work will have banana milk in stock again. Optimistic, but not too much so.

    • Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      In my experience, one of the best parts about going vegan is the oat juice tends to come in a lot more flavors.

  • Melon [she/her,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Future civilizations would be a lot better at waterproofing lean-tos with all the plastic lying around.

  • a_party_german [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    don't want to ruin your fun my dear comrades, but please keep in mind that the base assumption for any "optimistic" future is that tired old lib-shit hope of "ooh climate change won't be so bad, we might just grow our way out of it!"

    • when literally EVERY serious climate scientist says something along the lines of "oh you poor sap, climate change will be something you're not prepared for at all...EVEN IF WE STOP EMITTING TODAY!!!!"

    but yeah go have fun being "optimistic" and all, and how Preisdent AOC will give you M4A in 2040

    :doomjak:

    • femboy [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      :doomer: i came here for optimism, not crushing reality

  • DragonNest_Aidit [they/them,use name]
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    3 years ago

    Stray alien railgun shell from deep space strikes Earth but only hit and annihilate the Buckingham palace with the entire house of Windsor in it, and absolutely nothing else.