It’s complicated.
I want to genocide Palestinians but I know that it’s evil to genocide Palestinians my emotions are very complicated right now please have some sympathy.
Honey please I've had a long day at the genocide mines could we just talk about something else
Says the situation is complex; refuses to elaborate, then leaves.
They've at least got the meme down.
I said this before, but Amy Schumer's one of the approved people for Redditors to hate, so I'm not entirely sure that they're taking a principled anti-colonial stance here.
This is a good point, but the space created there can be used to educate people on a subject they'd otherwise tune out. I don't care (to an extent) why people are suddenly willing to oppose colonialism; once they're actually engaging in that conversation there's potential for them to change their mind in a way that will stick.
can we get amy to say "capitalism is good" and turn half of reddit socialist overnight?
The day when a Zionist settler manages to explain exactly how the situation is complicated the sun would have risen from the west.
"It's complicated because although the Jews were a minority in Palestine after WW2, we can't ignore the many Jews living there now". Paraphrasing from something I heard on TV.
From working with non-zionist (but still pretty liberal) Israelis the main complication from their point of view was that the loudest, most aggressive voices on each side now dominate the conversation, and it won't matter who's in the right or wrong until they're quieted and the people who want a peaceful resolution on each side can work on one without someone trying to blow them up. See also: Oslo Accords.
From also working with Zionist Israeli children, the main complication for Zionist Israelis is that they're constantly told that they're special and more important than other people, but now they've grown up they're not allowed to say that out loud. There were two in particular that got aggy whenever they weren't given preferential treatment, and told their leader I was antisemitic because I wouldn't let them skip cleaning when we had tasks they didn't like.
Just reading the pinned post on r/worldnews makes me recoil with the unending racism, genocide denial and the cheering of the killings. I wonder if most of the Westoids are just so far gone or purely evil.
Worldnews is miles worse than even any other subreddit. I have literally never seen a more astroturfed space. Other places on reddit go from neutral to being banned in Germany for having "from the river to the sea" as a banner
Hmm, so there is still a flickering ray of hope left.
This was probably one of the handful of times I went back to reddit in 2 years, hoping that the blatant genocide would have some sane noises rising up. I was stupid to think so.
It probably depends where you look, but I feel the most rational voices have largely left reddit. There's oasises here or there, but worldnews sure isn't going to be one.
At least this will be documented for our kids to see. They will never be able to deny or cover up that they were the ones who enabled the genocide.
I haven't looked at reddit for a long while, but I feel that being banned from worldnews was practically a rite of passage for leftists using reddit. I am not remotely surprised that they would be consistent about taking the worst stance possible.
"You libs don't understand; we've oppressed them as hard as we can oppress any living creature and it hasn't worked, what else are we supposed to do if not outright genocide?"
Seriously, going back to life as it was before the Hamas attack is just choosing bad over worse; the 'international' (Western) community needs to demand human rights and make it clear that people are going to be getting tried for war crimes on both sides (while respecting right of resistance).
I cannot quote any evidence. But I think the objective has always been of genocide and of ethnically cleansing Palestine of Palestinians. There has not been any attempt at establishing any sort of negative peace with the indigenous inhabitants.
I'm not so hopeful that this current eruption of visible violence (to the western world) will result in a free Palestine, although I do reserve a naive glimmer of hope for all good things somewhere in my mind. Two things I hope people everywhere walk away with are the humanization of Palestinians as worthy of life and being denied it by Israel and erasing the concept of "complicated" from this whole situation. Everyone who is paying attention sees an uncomplicated situation where one side subjugates another and the subjugated ones fought back and are now being collectively massacred as a result. Everyone can see the inherent injustice in such actions even within the "starting on Oct 7" context. Once people uncomplicate things the solution becomes clear.
Not unlike a materialist view of the world, once you strip away the bullshit film smeared on by neoliberals to mystify everything, it all becomes so simple that you wonder how you never saw it before. And you wonder how it is that all those around you can't also see it.
That's my super paraphrased, shitty, condensed Marx summary.
All the "it's complicated" people just use that framing to either obfuscate the truth from you/others or to cope within themselves. Whether it's economics or the conflict in Palestine, it's rarely ever complicated at the core. I hope people learn to kneejerk reject that framing. That means the next step to solving things is really close.
Dumb fascist needs to shut up about "complexity." Anybody who holds the world view "my race good, other race bad" has forfeited any claim to understanding nuance.
Lol I think this is the locked thread on r/movies right? So there's only like 40 comments but they all have thousands of points.
"It's very complicated"
Nah it couldn't be any simpler. You just don't want to admit in public what you really are. Maybe you lie to yourself too, who gives a fuck, it doesn't change anything.
It's so complicated bro. Because we don't want to be complicit in the genocide we are supporting.
This image has literally seven things I dislike: Bush 43, Amy Schumer, Israel, Reddit, grandstanding, defending a vote brigade, and someone using reddit unironically
