I used to be a tankie. I mean I believed everything China said, I unironically thought Stalin was good, I mean I was a full blown tankie. The main reason I became a tankie wasn't because it was my actual beliefs as much as it was because of peer pressure. Most communist subs are controlled by tankies who are mad with power, so you feel pressured to force yourself to have the same ideology as them. Eventually you start lying to yourself by calling everything that conflicts with your world view CIA propaganda because that "peer pressurs" has started seeping into your actual real life self. It is manifesting. For the longest time I thought Stalin was a good person, that China was going to be socialist by 2050, that authoritarianism, totalitarianism, technocracy, and mass surveillance are good because "what happens in public stays in public" or some shit.

I knew that I was lying to myself, but I wanted to be naive. My naive mind thought another country that was ideologically communist couldn't be evil — but yet Pol Pot and the prick that took power in Romania and created a dictatorship where everyone that isn't Romanian will be seen as second class citizens — proves otherwise.

When I started becoming a communist I dropped all nuance. I always believed one side— my side. No other sides. I believed everyone was wrong but me. I even started making up bullshit that sounds proper, like how China gives away houses and utilities to workers without rent to compensate for the low wages. Obviously it is utter bullshit that I barely believed, but I was lying to myself because I couldn't admit China was bad.

My point is this — tankies are crazy people. They always want to believe all currently existing socialist states are all paradise. Well, they aren't. China isn't the hell that the west depicts it as, but it is still shit. China is capitalist. Combine Capitalism and Socialism, you still have Capitalism.

This is from an alt account. I won't disclose my true identity. This is to protect my balls.

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    I'm not even a tankie but anti-tankies annoy the shit out of me. There are a lot of 'anarchists' out there that think that anarchy is leftism but nicer and less extreme. It's annoying because anarchy is not non-violent (direct action gets the goods)

    I feel like a lot of libs are infecting anarchy circles and are turning them against MLs. Trying to turn anarchy into the less extreme version of leftism when we are supposed to be burning shit and removing the unjust hierarchy that is capitalism by force. We need to realise we have more in common with MLs than we like to admit and ignore the radlibs that are trying to fuck with left unity by making us behave.

    In other words: :left-unity-4:

          • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Yeah, thats true (I was talking strictly about online) that's why it's annoying when online radlibs get into ancom spaces and start calling anyone who wants to do anything outside of voting and peaceful protest a tankie. It's got the double effect of defanging potential anarchists and driving away the real ones.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        We need more like you, and we need revolutionary anarchist spaces over on reddit that explicitly ban anarcho-liberals and maintain the space as revolutionary anarchism.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            I honestly think the package is just that "revolutionary anarchism", labelling current contemporary anarchists as reformists and fakes. As soon as you demand people actually be revolutionaries you easily get rid of all of the fakes and it is extremely easy to make the argument "fighting against tankies doesn't bring us closer to revolution it takes us further away" when you are demanding revolutionary attitudes. Anyone continuing to do such infighting in a space like that are easily banned as wreckers.

              • Awoo [she/her]
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                4 years ago

                They're not "history familiar". If they were they'd know that the anarchists created that situation and essentially decided to fight with communists rather than just comfortably existing.

                If they were "history familiar" they'd know about things like the KPAF who MLs helped set up their anarchist nation and existed perfectly fine alongside nearby MLs for ages until the liberals assassinated them.

                The fact of the matter is that they're NOT history familiar and they're caught up in a cycle of infighting about something that deserves nuanced analysis but instead reduce it to "MLs murdered us waaaah" which is just completely reductive and not at all "history familiar".

      • Vncredleader
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        4 years ago

        Glad to have comrades like you