I just had a thought like "What if some UFO aduction experiences people claim to have are actually people being kidnapped by the CIA" thinking-about-it

The kind of stories I'm thinking about often go like: "I was driving on an empty road in the middle of nowhere. I saw a bright light," and then either "I remember nothing but had lost time" or "I remember being experimented on by aliens and then put back in my car."

My tinfoil hat side is thinking like, these stories started happening around the time the US admitted to experimenting with abuse, torture and psychoactive drugs in Project MK-Ultra. Alien abduction stories were the most prevalent during this time. (CW: Just a heads up. If you want to read the rest of this post or anything else about MK-Ultra, be warned that it's pretty horrible, and involves some of the most disgusting torture I have ever read about. Death to America.)

Of the surviving documents released to the public about MK-Ultra, the CIA admits to: "kidnapping people it deemed "expendable" to undertake various types of torture and human experimentation on them. The prisoners were interrogated while being administered psychoactive drugs, electroshocked and subjected to extremes of temperature, sensory isolation and the like to develop a better understanding of how to destroy and to control human minds."

Part of me wonders how many of these alien abduction stories are just people being kidnapped, drugged with powerful hallucinogens, experimented on and then released with the suggestion conditioned into their mind that it was aliens.

The most famous alien abduction story is that of Barney and Betty Hill, an interracial couple that were both civil rights leaders, definitely people that the CIA would want to fuck with, especially during rising tensions with the Soviet Union, the US government was suspicious of minorities and anyone interested in their rights.

  • mayo_cider [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    I meant that they created the concept of UFO conspiracy, the people researching UFOs were already there but CIA took advantage of them to discredit any sighting as ramblings of crazy conspiracy theorists

    Going as far as keeping active contact and feeding "leaked information" with prominent UFO researchers, sending literal men in black to their doors, and orchestrating UFO contacts

    Tbh most of this is shit I've picked up over the years from blog posts and youtube videos, but I'm like 75% certain this had actual sources, I'm just too high to verify anything

    • mayo_cider [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      I'm fully aware how that last paragraph sounds like, but this is the one stereotype I don't mind representing

    • novibe@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      Ah we 100% agree then hahaahah

      And yes, even the stuff picked up from getting high and falling into rabbit holes. Tbh, after sometime it gets kinda easy to spot bullshit and psyops.

      I’m sure the truth about the phenomenon is not at all what the mainstream and even the “main” conspiracies portray it to be.

      What I always go back to is the foo fighters and similar phenomena, crop circles and the nuke orbs. Those are the hardest to explain away imo, and I feel they mean something more than other shit.

      But my personal experience also makes me think back to the ancient texts, the Vedas, ancient Egyptian and Sumerian texts etc. And idk, maybe the phenomenon is “angels and demons”. Or how I see it, weird non-physical or material stuff, in “higher” dimensions or consciousnesses. And not “aliens” with starships from other worlds.

      • Yamimakai [he/him, comrade/them]
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        7 months ago

        Could you post a link to something on the nuke orbs you mentioned? I was not able to find anything that sounded similar from a quick search

        • novibe@lemmy.ml
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          7 months ago

          You can search for “Robert Salas UFO” to start the rabbit hole, but basically there are a lot of military personnel that worked near nuclear facilities or even transported nukes that say orbs appeared and disassembled or deactivated them. Sometimes even doing this to missiles mid-flight during testing.

          There was video of this, I remember seeing it years ago. I tried looking for it, but just found dead links to deleted YouTube videos…

      • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        The thing that gets me is how many US UFO sightings were made in the 1950s, at the height of the Cold War. There has to be at least some "what if the Soviets have superweapons" type of thinking there.

        • novibe@lemmy.ml
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          7 months ago

          I think it has more to do with nukes tbh. The concentration of sightings around areas related to nukes is much greater (research facilities, test sites, where the nukes themselves are stored etc.).