This is lib anti-colonialism, based not on Marx, Lenin, or Sakai, but on James Cameron's Avatar and Disney's Pocahantas. It never matures past the age of maybe 15, and it expresses itself as "everybody who isn't European, Chinese, or a nasty dirty Slav is a complete Noble Savage we need to venerate."
I've run into these types before, and it generally isn't very long before they start getting misty-eyed about Japan in World War II.
It’s like how Afrocentrists (and regular libs) will urge people to remember that (some) black people were once kings and oppressors [and eventually leading to a call for black entrepreneurship], rather than calling for the liberation of all Afrikans from colonialism.
"Defend" is a little strong, but there's certainly romanticization and a lot of fake nuance. People like this will admit atrocities happened, but they'll try to spin it as "they were just following orders," "it's hard to tell right from wrong in wartime," and a million variations of "they weren't criminals, they were brave soldiers who believed in their Emperor." You'll never see this kind of nuance applied to the actions of communist governments.
In the US, some of this is obviously guilt over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But it very quickly veers off into the dumbest kind of orientalism.
I haven't been on that sub in a very long time -- not since around the r/genzedong migration -- and I get the sense it was a lot better then. So no, I've never seen it there. But I've run into it elsewhere on the net, and a couple times in real life.
As an ethnic Chinese, I can somewhat understand it if nothing else. There were some genuine "pan-Asianists" even by the time of WW2 Japan, and I suppose someone whose family wasn't directly affected (mine was) might romanticize Japan's actions- the actions of a non-white nation that had built itself up (granted through some very questionable means) and struck back against the world's greatest ongoing perpetrator of genocide and imperialism (USA).
Hell, I myself see what imperial Japan became- or what it perhaps always was, but the potential that it held and that was wasted- as a utter tragedy. They weren't communist, sure, but IMO- if they had acted genuinely in regards to their pan-Asian, allegedly anti-imperialist ideals, they could have liberated not only all of ASEAN and India, but even as far as the Arab peninsula and east Africa.
It could even be argued that- for all the terror Japan unleashed in China and Korea, and the terror inflicted on ethnic Chinese populations (like my great-grandparents) in southeast Asia- that by-and-large in southeast Asia and certainly south Asia, the Japanese came as liberators for much of the population, deeply flawed liberators, but liberators nonetheless. The independence movements of Indonesia and India certainly owe much to them, at least. I don't think it's apologia to say that much.
Something like that would have required some other kind of change of power from the Tokugawa Shogunate right? Instead of the Meiji Restoration happening and the Emperor being reinstated, if there was say a republic which became the basis of the reformation of the country, maybe that would have worked?
This is lib anti-colonialism, based not on Marx, Lenin, or Sakai, but on James Cameron's Avatar and Disney's Pocahantas. It never matures past the age of maybe 15, and it expresses itself as "everybody who isn't European, Chinese, or a nasty dirty Slav is a complete Noble Savage we need to venerate."
I've run into these types before, and it generally isn't very long before they start getting misty-eyed about Japan in World War II.
It’s like how Afrocentrists (and regular libs) will urge people to remember that (some) black people were once kings and oppressors [and eventually leading to a call for black entrepreneurship], rather than calling for the liberation of all Afrikans from colonialism.
Are they really that insane that they defend WW2 Japan?
"Defend" is a little strong, but there's certainly romanticization and a lot of fake nuance. People like this will admit atrocities happened, but they'll try to spin it as "they were just following orders," "it's hard to tell right from wrong in wartime," and a million variations of "they weren't criminals, they were brave soldiers who believed in their Emperor." You'll never see this kind of nuance applied to the actions of communist governments.
In the US, some of this is obviously guilt over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But it very quickly veers off into the dumbest kind of orientalism.
Does this really happen on SLS?
I haven't been on that sub in a very long time -- not since around the r/genzedong migration -- and I get the sense it was a lot better then. So no, I've never seen it there. But I've run into it elsewhere on the net, and a couple times in real life.
As an ethnic Chinese, I can somewhat understand it if nothing else. There were some genuine "pan-Asianists" even by the time of WW2 Japan, and I suppose someone whose family wasn't directly affected (mine was) might romanticize Japan's actions- the actions of a non-white nation that had built itself up (granted through some very questionable means) and struck back against the world's greatest ongoing perpetrator of genocide and imperialism (USA).
Hell, I myself see what imperial Japan became- or what it perhaps always was, but the potential that it held and that was wasted- as a utter tragedy. They weren't communist, sure, but IMO- if they had acted genuinely in regards to their pan-Asian, allegedly anti-imperialist ideals, they could have liberated not only all of ASEAN and India, but even as far as the Arab peninsula and east Africa.
It could even be argued that- for all the terror Japan unleashed in China and Korea, and the terror inflicted on ethnic Chinese populations (like my great-grandparents) in southeast Asia- that by-and-large in southeast Asia and certainly south Asia, the Japanese came as liberators for much of the population, deeply flawed liberators, but liberators nonetheless. The independence movements of Indonesia and India certainly owe much to them, at least. I don't think it's apologia to say that much.
Just imagine if the revolution happened in Japan and it became communist BEFORE WW2, they could have liberated whole Asia and Oceania!
Something like that would have required some other kind of change of power from the Tokugawa Shogunate right? Instead of the Meiji Restoration happening and the Emperor being reinstated, if there was say a republic which became the basis of the reformation of the country, maybe that would have worked?