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  • https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy
  • https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics
  • https://www.thepolicycircle.org/brief/literacy/
  • Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml
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    7 months ago

    One thing I like about Wikipedia is that they have a Simple English version: simple.wikipedia.org

    Has a Simple English Prolewiki been suggested or considered? As people's access to education worsens, we may need to find ways to describe communist theory and current/historical events through a ML lens to people with lower reading levels.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
      hexagon
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      7 months ago

      Making things as accessible as possible by default is generally a good idea. There's generally no good reason to use flowery language.

    • davel [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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      7 months ago

      This isn’t a refutation of your suggestion, but more of a “yes and…”. Literacy was much worse in Russia & China when they revolted in the early 20th century. I’m not sure what percentage the vanguard were literate at the time. I imagine that lack of literacy made reading groups all the more critical. What we have now that they didn’t have then are audiobooks. The Soviet & Chinese Communists prioritized literacy education highly after taking control.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
        hexagon
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        7 months ago

        The reading groups are absolutely the special sauce that's needed. There is simply no substitute for people getting together and discussing these ideas. Most people simply won't read this stuff even if they have the capacity to understand it. The advantage of a reading group is that it's a social activity. This makes it a lot more enjoyable to do which helps keeps people engaged. And the reading groups are the building block of actual organizing. This is how people meet each other, become friends, and start working together towards common goals.

        • Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml
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          7 months ago

          I absolutely agree. Though, I believe my suggestion would serve a different purpose. This would include people new to ML and happen to come across Prolewiki online. Having simple english articles available would also be useful for comrades to share to people with learning disabilities and poorly educated people online. People who have their first spark of radicalization then may start looking for a party, organization, or social group that would have reading group events. My own first steps to radicalization began after reading wiki articles about alternative governments and economic models after net neutrality was repealed. I am now a PSL applicant who has attended marches, rallies, Zoom meetings, and reading group events, and they have been a wonderful experience that a wiki article obviously cannot replace.

      • Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml
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        7 months ago

        Fair, though I still believe using "new" (Basic English was invented around 1925) concepts like Simple English today can help radicalize people, but other methods like reading groups are still important. I care about accessibility, including in tech, education, transportation, etc., and I believe supporting specialized languages designed to assist people is a net benefit to society.

        Having a revolution in Amerikkka, the imperialist core where the unofficial religion is anti-communism, is going to be a unique challenge compared to previously colonized AES countries. I believe we will need to apply many methods--adapting to new technology, wielding it to our cause--to radicalize as many working class Americans as possible. Any contributions people are enabled to make are essential. If I have time someday, I would consider creating or editing Simple English articles, but I need to read more theory first.

  • Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml
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    7 months ago

    They counted 18% of the population who can’t participate as being illiterate. But it’s still disconcerting that >30% of Americans have negligible reading comprehension.

  • Fishroot [none/use name]
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    7 months ago

    Not really surprising, if the public service is gutted and that social mobility is less and less a reality for most. The means and motivation for education are not there.

  • NotErisma
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    7 months ago

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  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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    7 months ago

    I don't understand reading levels. How good is a sixth grade supposed to read? I was apparently reading at a college level in third grade based on a word comprehension test I had to do, which is nonsense or college is really fucking easy.

    • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
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      7 months ago

      You usually give comprehension exams to people, then take the average and median scores for each age/grade level, from which you see where people fall relative to children in different grade levels.

      You would be surprised how many people make it through college with barebones if any reading comprehension. You think an engineer or finance bro is putting in the same hours as an English major to better their vocabularies, or reading comprehension?

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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    7 months ago

    It's always been pretty bad but a lot of people living in wealthy parts of the country with good education often aren't exposed to it.

  • library_napper@monyet.cc
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    7 months ago

    reading below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level[1][2][3][6]

    wtf is this shitty medium "article". It has footnote numbersbut they're not links and there's no actual footnotes.

    Please dont post this garbage here.

    • loathesome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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      7 months ago

      Citations are linked at the bottom:

      Citations:

      [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2020/09/09/low-literacy-levels-among-us-adults-could-be-costing-the-economy-22-trillion-a-year/?sh=24ac605e4c90

      [2] https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

      [3] https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate/

      [4] https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics

      [5] https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/14phpbq/how_is_it_possible_that_roughly_50_of_americans/

      [6] https://www.thepolicycircle.org/brief/literacy/

      It's alright if you're American though

      • Rom [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        Did they really cite a fucking reddit post

        • AOCapitulator [they/them]
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          7 months ago

          Top comment on that post is actually decent it seems, describing the problems with the numbers as reported by a similar study

          Why the fuck cite a Reddit post tho lmfao

          • Rom [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            Right, at least cut out the middleman and cite the study directly.

            Although on second thought if they wanted to provide examples of uneducated yanks, there are few better places for that than reddit comment threads. So maybe it was a good move after all.

            • AOCapitulator [they/them]
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              7 months ago

              next week's article "we used a reddit post as a cited source in an article about literacy and no one called us on it"