Oh I'm sure he didn't change or learn anything. He's too well-off to do that. Everything he thinks has worked out well for him. The material connection between what his life is and what he thinks is too strong to be changed in an interview. I guess you could then ask why it matters to interview him at all and I don't think it does. I think some of this isn't so much a podcast platforming them, but them platforming the podcast. Someone like Marianne has way more followers and people who listen to her than the things she usually goes on. So you as a host have a chance to reach someone new, even if you can't change the guest's mind. But how much that actually moves a needle, I don't know. I don't think anyone was going to vote for Yang in the primaries who also was a regular Chapo listener so landing that dunk only reaffirmed our suspicions more than had an influence on the election. I don't think them being more aggressive would have hurt him in the primaries either. It's just a big luke warm nothing that we attach meaning to depending on what we believe about the nature of media and culture.