Pretty interesting. A lot of these points have become the norm for any discussion in leftist spheres. How do we combat this?

  • NewAccountWhoDis [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I always dislike when things like this are posted because people read into them way too much and are just like "Wow, that person thinks BLM matters and isn't caring entirely about economy only, they're CIA!" is how you empower stupidpol types and the like too.

    How do you decide what's irrelevant to leftist politics without basing it off of your own personal desires and saying other people need to follow yours?

    • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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      3 years ago

      You don't.

      The CIA heavily recruits from elite schools, and they tend to recruit dorks and true believers because of the conduct standards and the necessity of believing in the mission. It's the same people who go into media or management consulting, but without the interesting kind.

      You can spot Feds very easily because they're stupid Ivy League types spouting the same old shit and they're also not creative enough to give it a spin. The guy who sparked this entire thread is actually a great example of a suspected Fed (not Nick, the guy he was quoting who said some stupid shit). Edit: The guy being quote tweeted here https://twitter.com/SocialistMMA/status/1409553018513723393

      • black_mold_futures [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        You can spot Feds very easily because they’re stupid Ivy League types spouting the same old shit and they’re also not creative enough to give it a spin

        :virgil-sad: :

      • quarantine_man [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        The guy who sparked this entire thread is actually a great example of a suspected Fed (not Nick, the guy he was quoting who said some stupid shit).

        I don't see which account you mean

        • 1267 [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Yeah there's nothing there but this guy being deliberately vague and trying to cause drama.

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Why the fuck is everyone so certain they know what a fed is and isn't like lmao none of you have a clue and you certainly don't have enough collective experience to be able to really tell, or have your suspicions be confirmed/be proven wrong reliably.

        • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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          3 years ago

          This is a defeatist attitude that prevents anybody from learning or growing. This isn't shitkicker public Twitter, this is a somewhat curated forum full of people who presumably know something about something that we all can glean info from. "lol none of us know, it's soooo hard to tell" is Fed talk :)

          • Pezevenk [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            No, y'all genuinely have no idea so instead of deluding yourself about your epic knowledge of CIA infiltrators and accidentally sowing paranoia and division, just skip this nonsense and try to just root out nasty and counterproductive behavior without making up infiltrator narratives, especially when you clearly don't have anywhere near the required experience to judge that. You have no clue, just accept that and move on.

            • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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              3 years ago

              Dude, no offense, but you're not even American. You shouldn't rain on people's parade when we're trying to help each other out and politic and such.

              • Pezevenk [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                This doesn't help anyone. This genuinely hurts organizations more than the feds ever could, for now at least. It's genuinely really really bad when people are just conjecturing stuff about what an infiltrator would and wouldn't do based on no good knowledge. There's so many posts every now and then by people going like "oh, I want to get organized but I'm worried x and y and z are feds" and it's just so bad.

    • LibsEatPoop [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      I think the points highlighted in the tweet are important because they show that if a person is only interested in sowing division, being overly cautious, re-litigating old arguments etc. then they might not have the best interests at heart.

      Like, obviously there isn't a hard and fast rule or line that you have to cross - but I think in general you can figure if a person is being needlessly contrarian or frustrating.

      • Nakoichi [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Nick is a good dude, I've chatted with him a lot over the last few months, I watched him go from being a Bernie guy to more and more radical. I saw people on here yesterday calling him a grifter and that didn't sit well with me given my interactions with him.

          • Shitbird [any]
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            3 years ago

            no every1 shuld b misrble & nvr acompishh anythin

        • 1267 [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Lmao he's using Fred Hampton's name for his social media branding. If that doesn't scream "grifter" to you...idk, man.