I admit that my vote for Biden is a portion of the reason Biden’s in office, and Biden being in office is a portion of the reason the USA is funding genocide. No I’m not fucking proud of it.
What’s the viable AND better alternative to Biden in 2024?
Withholding your vote is the only way to push the democrats left. Otherwise they know you're their little piggies who'll lick their heels and vote for them just because they're not Republicans despite the growing lack of material difference. You're their subs. Make them either work earn your vote or perish. Don't you see the pattern occurring again and again since Clinton? The dems move right and hold try to hold the left hostage with the Republicans as a threat. Things were pretty much the same under Trump as Biden, don't be a coward and hold your party accountable. They don't deserve your vote for being better than Trump.
Edit: also, die in a house fire you annoying little dweeb
It absolutely sucks but voting locally is a way you can improve your ability to vote. Incremental improvements towards leftist policies at the local level will sway more people to leftist policies, resulting in greater support overall towards the left.
Just because there isn't a better option doesn't mean you have to choose a bad option that's literally the deffinition of the illusion of choice.
If somebody told me theybwere either going to slap me in the face or kick me in the balls and I said "what about I pick neither of those things" would you also show up to smugly lecture me
Especially if I was using the time to do things that would actually protect people from the consequences like setting up communal support structures to get together and make sure nobody gets slapped or kicked
Okay, are you using your time to set up communal support structures for people? Or are you just using the amount of time you save by not voting (which is generally 5 minutes saved for every 12 months lived) to do that?
Also, voting for Biden is like getting punched in the face. Voting for Trump is like getting punched in the face and having your right to vote for anything (face punches or any possible alternative) revoked. Not voting for either is like saying “eh, they’re both just the same to me”
You dipshits realize you sound dumb as hell when you say that if Trump gets elected nobody will vote again right.
You said the exact same thing last time and then somehow managed to lose an election to him thanks to brilliant electoral strategies like not campaigning in keybstates and then he was voted out 4 years later.
Also I am not going to be lectured on how effective or thorough my communal support systems are by some dumbshit lib lecturing me on how important it is to vote for a Democrat presidential candidate as a resident of New York.
If Jesus Christ came down waving a black and red flag it would still be a waste of time to vote in federal elections, let alone taking time out of my day to do it for somebody actively carrying out a genocide.
I didn’t say anything about the effectiveness of the communal support structures you mentioned. I think spending time putting effort into that is extremely valuable and important.
You said that if you didn’t waste time voting you’d have more time to put your efforts into communal support structures so I challenged you on that and you didn’t respond to that challenge.
So again I ask: do you put your time into developing or reinforcing communal support structures for other people?
I do not but I consider that a failure on my own part. I’ve been looking for ways I can help my community which won’t burn me out quickly on top of my dreary job.
I understand being angry about the state of American politics but I don’t understand why you’re venting your anger at me. I’ve been continuing this conversation because I legitimately would like to understand your point of view and potentially be persuaded.
Because for somebody who wants to understand my point of view you sure are spending a lot of time writing replies after I explicitly stated it three times.
Electoralism is pointless at anything above a county level, national democrats aren't any better than Republicans, and even if they were the chances of them learning how to stop enthusiastically jumping on rakes is slim. You've done more to reduce human suffering by giving a homeless person a dollar than any kind of electoralism the DNC wouldn't immediatly put out a statement condemning.
Ok genocide enjoyer
Oh, in that case you’ve convinced me. Solid point, and well-articulated at that.
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Nobody's trying to convince you, we're several decades past expecting liberals to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions.
I admit that my vote for Biden is a portion of the reason Biden’s in office, and Biden being in office is a portion of the reason the USA is funding genocide. No I’m not fucking proud of it.
What’s the viable AND better alternative to Biden in 2024?
Don't vote
How is that better?
The results are the same but you don't have to do an extra errand that day. With the time saved you could watch like 3 episodes of star trek
Voting takes me 5 minutes, especially since I get my ballot in the mail.
I guess Star Trek episodes are a lot shorter than I thought
Withholding your vote is the only way to push the democrats left. Otherwise they know you're their little piggies who'll lick their heels and vote for them just because they're not Republicans despite the growing lack of material difference. You're their subs. Make them either work earn your vote or perish. Don't you see the pattern occurring again and again since Clinton? The dems move right and hold try to hold the left hostage with the Republicans as a threat. Things were pretty much the same under Trump as Biden, don't be a coward and hold your party accountable. They don't deserve your vote for being better than Trump.
Edit: also, die in a house fire you annoying little dweeb
How I feel like every VBNMW nerd in this thread.
Voting takes me several hours out of work. Work that I need to do to keep my roof and lights on, it also eats into actual direct action work I do IRL.
Voting is fucking worthless except if there is some exceptionally cool local city council person or w/e to vote for.
It absolutely sucks but voting locally is a way you can improve your ability to vote. Incremental improvements towards leftist policies at the local level will sway more people to leftist policies, resulting in greater support overall towards the left.
Yes and this is not about voting locally its about not voting for a genocidal monster.
Just because there isn't a better option doesn't mean you have to choose a bad option that's literally the deffinition of the illusion of choice.
If somebody told me theybwere either going to slap me in the face or kick me in the balls and I said "what about I pick neither of those things" would you also show up to smugly lecture me
Especially if I was using the time to do things that would actually protect people from the consequences like setting up communal support structures to get together and make sure nobody gets slapped or kicked
Okay, are you using your time to set up communal support structures for people? Or are you just using the amount of time you save by not voting (which is generally 5 minutes saved for every 12 months lived) to do that?
Also, voting for Biden is like getting punched in the face. Voting for Trump is like getting punched in the face and having your right to vote for anything (face punches or any possible alternative) revoked. Not voting for either is like saying “eh, they’re both just the same to me”
You dipshits realize you sound dumb as hell when you say that if Trump gets elected nobody will vote again right.
You said the exact same thing last time and then somehow managed to lose an election to him thanks to brilliant electoral strategies like not campaigning in keybstates and then he was voted out 4 years later.
Also I am not going to be lectured on how effective or thorough my communal support systems are by some dumbshit lib lecturing me on how important it is to vote for a Democrat presidential candidate as a resident of New York.
If Jesus Christ came down waving a black and red flag it would still be a waste of time to vote in federal elections, let alone taking time out of my day to do it for somebody actively carrying out a genocide.
I didn’t say anything about the effectiveness of the communal support structures you mentioned. I think spending time putting effort into that is extremely valuable and important.
You said that if you didn’t waste time voting you’d have more time to put your efforts into communal support structures so I challenged you on that and you didn’t respond to that challenge.
So again I ask: do you put your time into developing or reinforcing communal support structures for other people?
I do not but I consider that a failure on my own part. I’ve been looking for ways I can help my community which won’t burn me out quickly on top of my dreary job.
Fuck off nerd go pearl clutch elsewhere.
I'm saying take all the effort and time you would waste worrying about the futility of electoral politics and go organize a food drive.
I understand being angry about the state of American politics but I don’t understand why you’re venting your anger at me. I’ve been continuing this conversation because I legitimately would like to understand your point of view and potentially be persuaded.
Because for somebody who wants to understand my point of view you sure are spending a lot of time writing replies after I explicitly stated it three times.
Electoralism is pointless at anything above a county level, national democrats aren't any better than Republicans, and even if they were the chances of them learning how to stop enthusiastically jumping on rakes is slim. You've done more to reduce human suffering by giving a homeless person a dollar than any kind of electoralism the DNC wouldn't immediatly put out a statement condemning.
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