Another factor that is very common in the western left is to treat suffering and extreme poverty as elements of superiority. It is very common in Western leftist culture to support martyrs and suffering. Everyone today likes Salvador Allende. Why? Salvador Allende is a victim, a martyr. He was assassinated in Pinochet’s coup d’ etat. When Hugo Chávez was alive, many sectors of the left turned their nose up at him. If he had been killed, for example, in the 2002 Coup attempt, he would be adored by the immense majority of the western left today, as a symbol of suffering and martyrdom. Since he continued exercising power as leader of a political process which, by necessity, had various contradictions, he was increasingly abandoned, as time passed
The Western Left absolutely has a losing fetish. It's one of the things our enemies point out the most often!
That excerpt is spot-on. It's even more noticeable when you talk to people who might be edging towards leftist ideas, but who aren't leftists yet. Bring up that Allende was couped by the U.S. and you get immediate sympathy, but you'll get "well that's different" if you bring up Venezuela.
Oh wow a supossed ML failing to do historical material analysis... Maybe US leftists laude Allende because doing so points out the imperialist crimes the US has done. Meanwhile, openly supporting "official state enemies" like Chavez or Maduro will get you censored, persecuted, and harassed by the state and capital. Maybe those material conditions have more to do with why western leftists fail to support Maduro and Castro than some idealist nonesense about a christian martyrdom. Its as absurd as saying Castro and Chavez weren't western and weren't influenced by Christianity.
How about Vietnam? We fought an actual war against their state, they WON, and now you almost never hear a peep from the Western Left about Vietnam... Compare that to the Ls we celebrate all the time.
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The Western Left absolutely has a losing fetish. It's one of the things our enemies point out the most often!
That excerpt is spot-on. It's even more noticeable when you talk to people who might be edging towards leftist ideas, but who aren't leftists yet. Bring up that Allende was couped by the U.S. and you get immediate sympathy, but you'll get "well that's different" if you bring up Venezuela.
Oh wow a supossed ML failing to do historical material analysis... Maybe US leftists laude Allende because doing so points out the imperialist crimes the US has done. Meanwhile, openly supporting "official state enemies" like Chavez or Maduro will get you censored, persecuted, and harassed by the state and capital. Maybe those material conditions have more to do with why western leftists fail to support Maduro and Castro than some idealist nonesense about a christian martyrdom. Its as absurd as saying Castro and Chavez weren't western and weren't influenced by Christianity.
How about Vietnam? We fought an actual war against their state, they WON, and now you almost never hear a peep from the Western Left about Vietnam... Compare that to the Ls we celebrate all the time.
What the flying fuck are you talking about? We never shut the fuck up about the Vietnam war. Have you missed the weekly prayers for Kissinger's death?
Please elaborate.
That's my point - lots of talk about the war, very little about the actually existing Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
A losing fetish? Sure. But not a heavily Christian-influenced nature.