Most of the time with the Zapatistas and Rojava, which are the two generally "libcom" projects that are pointed to, the criticisms I see is less "Oh they are actually ML" and more just pointing to either the relatively small scale and less hostility the Zapatistas have faced(not that they have faced no hostility mind you) or pointing to the collaboration between Rojava and the US as an argument for why these are unique cases and not inherently "proof" that Anarchism is as/more effective than ML(not trying to start this argument or being sectarian, just explaining what people argue).
Well I think that that's a totally different argument.
The OP didn't say that MLs made arguments that non-ML projects like the Zapatistas and Rojava weren't sustainable, they said that MLs regularly claim that "anarchist" (not just non ML) projects were ML projects.
I'm new to Hexbear, and mostly just went over to genzedong after MTC got banned, so maybe this behavior has been common here specifically, but on MTC or genzedong, they'd probably call you a lib if you started calling Rojava a ML project.
Yeah I have pretty much never heard an ML claim that Rojava is actually ML, I have no idea where that comes from but I have definitely not seen it here.
Most of the time with the Zapatistas and Rojava, which are the two generally "libcom" projects that are pointed to, the criticisms I see is less "Oh they are actually ML" and more just pointing to either the relatively small scale and less hostility the Zapatistas have faced(not that they have faced no hostility mind you) or pointing to the collaboration between Rojava and the US as an argument for why these are unique cases and not inherently "proof" that Anarchism is as/more effective than ML(not trying to start this argument or being sectarian, just explaining what people argue).
Well I think that that's a totally different argument.
The OP didn't say that MLs made arguments that non-ML projects like the Zapatistas and Rojava weren't sustainable, they said that MLs regularly claim that "anarchist" (not just non ML) projects were ML projects.
I'm new to Hexbear, and mostly just went over to genzedong after MTC got banned, so maybe this behavior has been common here specifically, but on MTC or genzedong, they'd probably call you a lib if you started calling Rojava a ML project.
Yeah I have pretty much never heard an ML claim that Rojava is actually ML, I have no idea where that comes from but I have definitely not seen it here.