The Price of Liberty: African Americans and the Making of Liberia http://libgen.li/item/index.php?md5=28C51308F215E77FA12EEA0E3A25F329

...But for many individuals, dreams of a Pan-African utopia in Liberia were tempered by complicated relationships with the Africans, whom they dispossessed of land. Liberia soon became a politically unstable mix of newcomers, indigenous peoples, and "recaptured" Africans from westbound slave ships. Ultimately, Clegg argues, in the process of forging the world's second black-ruled republic, the emigrants constructed a settler society marred by many of the same exclusionary, oppressive characteristics common to modern colonial regimes.

broke: read Settlers

woke: read Settlers but replace America with Africa and replace "white" with "black", and replace "black" with "indigenous black"

  • Barabas [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Yes, just like it is with Zionism, it also meshes well with people who just want to get rid of black people. Zionism was seen as a way to deal with the "Jewish question" even among many literal Nazis.

    There were some people who supported it for the reasons I listed, but they were hardly in the majority.

    • coatimundi [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Look, I will stop playing cute: that is always the wrong approach in my opinion. The right approach to these race issues is to have them stay where they're from and intermingle with the local population. I'm Brazilian, I'm mixed, I believe this, my parents believed this, and it's silly to me that Americans are so resistant to this. When Stalin came up with the Jewish Autonomous Oblast solution, he was envisioning the Jews dropping their historically retrograde ethnoreligious sense of identification and developing a new one based on land and the Yiddish language like the people of Europe. This was progressive to him in a Marxist sense, but it is impossible for blacks in America because their culture is exactly the same as that of the whites and the only thing that separates them is skin color. They both speak English, live in America and are Christians, everything that separates them is meaningless aestheticism. That's just my two cents on this question.

      • FidelCastro [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        it is impossible for blacks in America because their culture is exactly the same as that of the whites and the only thing that separates them is skin color. They both speak English, live in America and are Christians, everything that separates them is meaningless aestheticism.

        Yeah, hard disagree on the cultures being the same.

        • coatimundi [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Why? They speak the same language, live the same lifestyle. Seems to me like the only things that separate them are the remnants of segregation.

          • FidelCastro [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            remnants of segregation

            There are no "remnants", it's still happening. If you're Brazilian and aren't from the states, then I get not understanding the difference between cultures, but trust me when I say that there is one.