This thread is not about organizing and collective power. Search the comment history of anyone here and you will find promotions for joining specific orgs and shit. People are not going to lay out an answer you like to a question the OP didn't ask

Also you act like people who are not interested in complaining about others complaining about the scale of corporate pollution are just wanting to check out of the conversation and are at odds with the saintly ones who "do want to try". Its a false dichotomy, no one here has said dont try to cut down on waste. People are shitting on the sanctimonious BS of the meme and preconfigured strawman of "western leftists" who are just so irresponsible cause they believe that consumer choices dont matter and will never matter when it comes to production.

No one is asking you to be "saddled with that association", this is not an organizing thread for pete's sake. Shaming people or bickering about incremental change because they dislike a meme calling everyone who views corporations as immovably involved in climate change a triggered settler. People are shitting on the meme, not the imagined good faith conversation.

Oh and which socialists? Cause a heck of a lot are solving our problems with their actions and not through consumer choices or yelling at imaginary leftists. Look at China's environmental policies or any other socialist party in power