Just participate in a little bourgeoisie electoralism! What's the worst that could happen? Its not like they can remove the office from existe-, oh okay yeah I guess they'll just do that.

  • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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    3 years ago

    As someone else pointed out on here recently, this is the point of participating in bourgeois elections, if only to demonstrate how fruitless they are to achieving real radical positive change,

    • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Not a terrible idea, but I'd argue winning an election only to get the position removed because you won doesn't do nearly as good as something like feeding the homeless, and also takes more effort and money.

        • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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          3 years ago

          Yeah I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive and electoral campaigns especially at the local level can be an important focal point for drawing in people that are in need of educating on further revolutionary action. Again this is the point of participating in such elections.

            • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              No worries, I get it.

              I'm not saying that is the case here. This wasn't supposed to be a big theory post. It's a meme designed to heighten the contradictions further. I am not saying "do not ever run for office, only do direct action." I'm shit posting some Twitter garbage that boils down to the reality - you can't reform the system entirely because the system will literally attempt to remove offices from existence to protect itself.

              Personally speaking, I tend to find that most people that believe themselves leftists and focus on the electoral, tend to be at best progressives that spent too much time on r/latestagecapitalism and like the idea of voting in structural reform. Obviously that is not the rule, and probably not even the majority, but this is also only tangentially related to the post. The post doesn't mean "do not ever even look at an election or you're a bourgeoisie pig". It means "no matter what you do, they're going to change the rules".

      • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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        3 years ago

        You can do both. Most people do both.

        If you can’t do both that’s a you problem.

        You build the movement by participation and showing how rigged shit is. How many of us ar where because of watching how Bernie got screwed in 2016.

        • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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          3 years ago

          I love how the goal was to get people to fall in line with that, but it probably radicalized way more people. That day any belief in electoralism I had was killed, and I fully believed in revolution after.

        • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          You build some participation by showing how rigged the shit is, yeah. You don't gotta waste your time and everyone else's money running as mayor to do that.

          I did not say I couldn't do both. I said I'm not going to waste everyone's time and money on shit that doesn't do the job as well as others.