"If you don't vote Blue, then it's your fault for the genocide of the Palestinian people in the imaginary future inside of my head where a Republican President backs an ongoing genocide rather than our incumbent genocide-backing Democratic President. "

"You can't expect Joe to magically stop enabling genocide overnight! He needs more time to stop enabling the genocide he's enabling! It's a big and difficult change to make, as we've always enabled this genocide!"

"Remember that time when the Cheeto said something stupid? Haha let's make a joke about the Cheeto conducting a nuclear holocaust against the most oppressed people in the world, who have already been THREATENED WITH THIS!"

"The Dems would need an even larger majority over the Republicans to take any action against the largest recipient of our foreign aid spending."

Is this not the shit they're saying?

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  • SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml
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    7 months ago

    Honest talk here though is- IMO, Trump is the best shot the US has at the moment, for a (relatively) graceful (not all that graceful, it's still AmeriKKKa after all) and peaceful decline. Leaving NATO, restraining Israel, and doing all the other things necessary to dismantle the rot of the empire is a crucial part of that- I agree it would be largely from ignorance and greed, but in these circumstances- it still be overwhelmingly to the benefit of the world, and even the west.

    And far be it from me to play the "he's a businessman" card like as if he's any particularly competent one- but he knows how to play nice enough when needed- with Russia, with India, with even North Korea- and if needed, surely with China and the rest of BRICS and the non-white, non-western world. A blundering asshole with no idea of the real workings of empire is if nothing else, surely better- even for his own country- than the warmongers pushing for WW3 to maintain white, western hegemony, with no care if the world burns down in the process (as either way they profit).

    Not saying all this in support of Trump, that said- not that I could support him anyways (Canadian) but we both agree that his "net positive" actions (and the net positive results of his inaction in certain things, as well) are not out of any semblance of human decency, but rather due to a combination of ignorance and pragmatism- and his attempts at, say, pulling out of Syria were sabotaged by the deep state in the past. But I do actually see him as an (unintentionally) far lesser evil, albeit one I'd not support either way.

    • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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      7 months ago

      I am also just an observer to what is going on in US politics (not from Canada but from the other side of the ocean), and i think he has a good chance of winning the next elections simply due to how disastrously bad Biden has been as president (not that Trump was much better but Americans have a very short memory span, plus a large part of the electorate just don't give a shit about objective performance, they want someone who talks like them and who validates their feelings). And then we will see what happens. I hope you're right but my bet is that the deep state will continue to do their thing one way or another regardless who is president.

      • SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml
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        7 months ago

        Unless they mess with the election somehow (don't think they did against Trump in 2020, though I don't blame those doubting either)- something that honestly has a very good chance of happening this time around- I think he'll win.

        Trump's win back in 2016 was perhaps the most "democratic thing" I'd seen come out of the US if you ask me- AmeriKKKans choosing someone who truly represented themselves (often the worst of themselves, peak "ugly American," but still), and also choosing a somewhat independent (perhaps better described as, somewhat unrestrained) candidate over the near universally repugnant ghoul (for anyone who isn't similarly a ghoul) that was Clinton. And his term was, for all its disasters- in better circumstances than these past 4 years, simply for how bad things clearly have gotten for the majority of people. In truth though- for performance, I'd have argued the bar was in hell in the Trump era (it was), but Biden in many ways, other than token support of women's and LGBT rights and such issues, honestly is probably worse. His foreign policy is definitely infinitely worse, that's for sure, and his economic policy strikes me as little better.

        Biden's behavior honestly makes me suspect the game plan is hegemony or bust (with the "bust" scenario featuring- possibly start WW3, definitely let the US economically collapse, and have the establishment elites flee to the Caribbean and NZ after finally plundering their own country for all it's worth- basically the same kind of plan Ferdinand Marcos or a whole slew of other western-backed dictators have had throughout history, or that Zelensky, Ing-wen, and possibly Netanyahu definitely have nowadays).

        • Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml
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          7 months ago

          Trump's election may have seemed suitable or fitting given the reputation of the average American, but I'd strongly hesitate to call any part of it "democratic." Maybe within the bounds of the Republican primary, sure, populism succeeded. But he literally did not win the popular vote, while all sorts of media manipulation and voter suppression fuckery was going on within the Democratic establishment and among minority districts.

          I agree with the sentiment though. Trump is a perfect symbolic stand-in for the absolute worst elements of America's culture.

    • Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml
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      7 months ago

      That analysis seems like a bit of a gamble still. Trump went off empire's script a few times, but he still escalated the situation in Ukraine, escalated American aggression in Asia, escalated the situation in Palestine, and escalated tensions with Iran. You could be right, but there's just as likely a chance that he does oversee a further escalation of Amerikkka's global violence. He's just still a very suitable scapegoat for US imperialism's rapidly waning competence.

      For all we know, he may actually be successful at priming the country for a second US war against Mexico now that it's been officially introduced by other Republicans. We could possibly see the glimpses of what's currently happening in Gaza on the US's southern border. God knows, we already have the concentration camps here