second largest city in Austria

https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1442145119910563840

and article on it

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/08/graz-austria-communist-party-red-fortress-class-politics

E: OVP mayor just resigned, seems KPO will also get the mayor too now

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The various trots outnumber the MLs in France

    They really don't. And they definitely didn't use to. France had a huge communist party. Now not so much but at least they do have national assembly and senate representation as opposed to any one trot group. Also yeah as you said they're outnumbered by other people, that's the point, trots are not nearly the "default". That's the point lol

    the only place where MLs really have representation is like Spain with the PCE and Cyprus

    This is wrong. Actually I have no idea why of all places you would pick Spain and especially Cyprus where the party is only ML in name, and even then just barely. Why would you not bring up Portugal and Greece which both have major traditional communist parties in their parliaments, including the EU parliament, which are actually influential? Or the Workers' Party of Belgium? Or Czechia?

    And I'm only talking about the old guard, single tendency ML parties here. As you said there are many others who may not be part of a single tendency party and they by far outnumber trots.

    Also although they don't typically write it out as "marxist leninist" (actually few non maoist parties in general write it like that any more), trots identify as both marxists and leninists. They're not really some completely different thing in that regard.

    • Sklorp [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Also although they don’t typically write it out as “marxist leninist” (actually few non maoist parties in general write it like that any more), trots identify as both marxists and leninists. They’re not really some completely different thing in that regard.

      :bruh-moment:

      Why would you not bring up Portugal and Greece which both have major traditional communist parties in their parliaments, including the EU parliament, which are actually influential? Or the Workers’ Party of Belgium? Or Czechia?

      I forgot about the KKE. The Belgian workers party is not ML, the KSCM in Czechia is very, very explicitly not ML. That would literally be illegal

      Now not so much but at least they do have national assembly and senate representation as opposed to any one trot group

      The French had a trot prime minister (as pointless as that i, their most famous communist is Mélenchon (A trot), and his platform has delegates and Senate representation and was endorsed by the French communist party for the presidency Nathalie Arthaud and Philippe Poutou also both ran and got 2% of the vote as open trots. I mean sure "No affiliation " probably beats out trot, but as a singular tendency it's the biggest.

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        the KSCM in Czechia is very, very explicitly not ML. That would literally be illegal

        Um yes that's why they say they are not lol

        The French had a trot prime minister

        What does this have to do with anything? They never had a trotskyist party in power or even represented. Greece had an ex trot prime minister, that doesn't say anything.

        their most famous communist is Mélenchon (A trot)

        ...an ex trot who was only a trot like a million years ago who runs a multi tendency party, most of which isn't trotskyist.

        was endorsed by the French communist party

        ...which isn't trotskyist

        also both ran and got 2% of the vote as open trots.

        ...which completely pales in comparison to the records of the PCF in the past and in some cases present. Wow, 2 people ran as trots within a multitenency movement for national assembly and got a tiny share of votes. Um OK, so does the PCF, except that one also used to be the second or third most powerful party, and still is influential in local politics.