• kredditacc@lemmygrad.ml
      ·
      6 months ago

      And no more glorification of warcrimes, massacres, and genocides!

      I don't watch Overlord btw. I don't see any value in it.

  • Redcuban1959 [any]
    ·
    6 months ago

    Some things would remain the same because of Japanese culture and others wouldn't need to change, but there would be much less sexualization and imperialism. There would also be much more open about their left-wing politics. animarx

  • Soviet Pigeon@lemmygrad.ml
    ·
    edit-2
    6 months ago

    I anticipate a similar trend as seen in movies and series. Comparing films from the USSR to those in the US during that period highlights differences. Currently, Russia's film industry produces subpar content. The prevalent sexualized aspect in recent anime may diminish, moving away from cash-driven productions exemplified by the 20th isekai where a 15-year-old protagonist battles a demon king with his harem. Nevertheless, there are watchable isekai anime, and some are commendable

    Animes will persist, free from capitalist constraints. I enjoy watching anime as a great escape mechanism. However, at times, I notice that authors feel compelled to include women with large breasts, possibly for better sales, though not always.

    The sexualisation of minors is terrible. Years ago, when I was 14/15 years old, I could watch something like that. You're 14, you're going through puberty and you're also (doesn't apply to everyone) probably horny a lot of the time. I could identify with the MC back then, a guy with magic fighting demons with his female mates who all have big boobs. If a 14 year old tells me that he or she likes anime like that, I don't think it's creepy. But...

    But now it's kind of incomprehensible to me how adult people can watch some things. Some of it you can ignore, but often it's not about the story, it's more like half hentai. Back then I didn't watch these anime where there were literally children who were of course 7000 year old elves and totally sexualised. Only later, when I was an adult, than I realised that the target audience for some anime is neckbeards and people who like to watch the sexual abuse of minors.

    I firmly believe that capitalism is responsible for the current dark sides of anime and the production of low-quality content. However, consider how the USSR elevated cultural standards with films. I am confident that a "Soviet Republic of Japan" would similarly enhance the cultural value of anime.

    In that sense, anime will have a wonderful future under the dictatorship of the proletariat and much later under communism, that's my guess.

  • lorty@lemmygrad.ml
    ·
    6 months ago

    We might finally get anime that critiques oppression but proposes more than just getting rid of the one bad guy running the show (or not even that in many cases)

  • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.ml
    ·
    6 months ago

    Anime is 95% garbage, 5% good stuff just like most media out there. Without a profit motive, garbage media will wither away and we would see an increase in the quality of all kinds of media and art out there.

  • aidnic@lemmygrad.ml
    ·
    6 months ago

    My biggest gripe about anime is that it would always bend over to fan service and sexualize the fuck out of any female characters within it. This is of course to gain more money from creepy, horny men, so making anime an art form with no financial incentives as opposed to the profit seeking industry it is would quell a lot of this sexualization which I just find annoying, and which harm women in the long run.

    • theblueredditrefugee@lemmygrad.ml
      ·
      6 months ago

      Most importantly, stop sexualizing children. Every time I see it I think to myself "goddammit Japan tf is wrong with you". Still prefer watching it over hyperindividualistic Hollywood trash though

    • jackmarxist [any]
      ·
      6 months ago

      The only animes where I'm fine with fan Service are Gintama and The Eminence in Shadow because it's used for running jokes in both of these.

  • Omniraptor [they/them]
    ·
    6 months ago

    It'll definitely be produced more slowly than it is now, crunch needs to die

    • Redderthanmisty@lemmygrad.ml
      ·
      6 months ago

      Perhaps individual works may be produced slower, however, I think that as the masses become relieved from the burdens of labour due to the automation of the means of production, more will dedicate their newfound free time to hobbies, leading to an unprecidented explosion in the quantity and variety of creative works being released.

    • SUPAVILLAIN@lemmygrad.ml
      ·
      6 months ago

      Honestly, having only really been taught the hero's journey concept as a narrative structure... What else really is there that doesn't wind up being mundane depictions of life in another world? How does one inject action that'd draw an eye or a mind into that?

      • Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        For example, the popular young adult novel hunger games tells the story of the heroine’s journey as opposed to the hero’s journey.

        There are great alternatives out there that aren’t explored as much as they’re supposed to because of these capitalist filters. Socialism being one of them.

        Edit: recommended watching:

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zR4lWyVN8

        • SUPAVILLAIN@lemmygrad.ml
          ·
          edit-2
          6 months ago

          Once there's people out of my house I'm gonna go through this vid; but on its face, wouldn't the heroine's journey be no different from the hero's journey save flipping the gender involved?

          • Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml
            ·
            6 months ago

            No, it means following the hero on his journey, becoming the hero’s prize, then being discontent with her position and setting out on her own journey.

            Paraphrasing.

            • SUPAVILLAIN@lemmygrad.ml
              ·
              edit-2
              6 months ago

              Oh, so you're talking more what would end up being a decon of the hero's journey, likely with a WHOLE lot of critique of the format it's deconstructing along the way. Kinda sounds like it'd be something Joss Whedon-adjacent if Joss Whedon wasn't a white guy

      • GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml
        ·
        6 months ago

        Stuff like Shakespeare tragedies and rom coms are other narrative structures. Mystery and crime fiction is another one.

        • SUPAVILLAIN@lemmygrad.ml
          ·
          6 months ago

          See I was taught that genres and narrative structures were two different things; so it sounds to me like you're just naming a bunch of genres and not frameworks for that genre

          • GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml
            ·
            6 months ago

            But I think the narrative structures common in those genres are different from the hero's journey. And they aren't mundane.

      • fox [comrade/them]
        ·
        6 months ago

        Sort of nonsense. Joseph Campbell had one idea and crushed every story he could find to fit into it.

      • Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml
        ·
        6 months ago

        The hero’s journey is very problematic and reactionary. It is the story of the white man, with everything else being either obstacles or prizes. It’s a story of conquest.

        And the real problem comes when we model our lives and policies off of the hero’s journey.

        The propagation of the hero’s journey is part of the western propaganda model.

        Recommended watching:

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zR4lWyVN8

          • kredditacc@lemmygrad.ml
            ·
            6 months ago

            I'm not an expert on literature and storytelling, but I think we need to separate interpretation of a fact from a fact itself. The stories you mentioned exist before modern age, but The Hero's Journey is a modern interpretation. This interpretation is not without its fair share of criticisms.

            • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
              ·
              edit-2
              6 months ago

              but I think we need to separate interpretation of a fact from a fact itself

              Which is why blanket condemnation of entire genre or media is pointless.

          • mughaloid@lemmygrad.ml
            ·
            edit-2
            6 months ago

            Mahabharata is not a hero's tale , The 2 clans ended each other mostly , Kauravas died out and the Pandava princes went to the Himalayas because of the guilt where they died due to cold and hunger .

              • mughaloid@lemmygrad.ml
                ·
                6 months ago

                I have also watched journey to the West movie from China don't know how much it relates to the original classic. But it was also sad 🤣 , the boy hates the girl who loved him and gave upon her life to kill monkey King (Sun Wokong) , later the boy became a buddhist monk and came to India. Quite a fascinating movie 😁

                • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
                  ·
                  6 months ago

                  There is absolute crapton of more or less loose intepretations of that story in east Asian popculture, even seemingly unrelated works can suddenly pop one or a lot of it.

                  • mughaloid@lemmygrad.ml
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    6 months ago

                    I was absolutely amazed that the original monk existed and he secretly came to Nalanda to study buddhism and then he was grandly welcomed by the Chinese emperor. Well, I hope the monkey King story was taken up by Chinese scholars to spice things up 🤣, I mean who wouldn't love magic and wonders.

          • Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml
            ·
            edit-2
            6 months ago

            https://www.masculinedevelopment.com/joseph-campbell-heros-journey-examples-modern-men-part-1/

            As long as the monomyth remains “A” story structure, and not “THE” story structure applicable to all stories and life itself, then it’s not problematic. But the fact is, this is the way that it’s being used. And so caution and analysis must be applied in applications of this story structure.

    • kredditacc@lemmygrad.ml
      ·
      6 months ago

      Very few (if any) anime that I've watched actually follow this pattern. Maybe it is more prevalent in the Western culture.

      Writers are people, people are risk-adverse, so it makes sense that they generally prefer to fit the mold taught to them than to take risks and be creative.

      • Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml
        ·
        6 months ago

        Most shounen anime follow this to some degree. It is a derivative but it’s also formulaic.

        Risk (socialogical risk) is an idea that is enforced by systemic reactionary ideals. These reactionary ideals are the ones we seek to smash.

        • kredditacc@lemmygrad.ml
          ·
          6 months ago

          Well I don't watch shonen so it's hard for me to judge. But how do you know shounen shows intentionally follow The Hero's Journey pattern or just happen to share some aspects? The one message that shounen likes to send is "work hard and be rewarded" (Japan is influenced by Confucian culture which values meritocracy). And due to the long running nature of anime shows, there must be multiple arcs, multiple challenges for the MC to overcome, and the MC will get stronger as a result of their hard work. This creates a "journey", but not necessarily The Hero's Journey™.

          • Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml
            ·
            6 months ago

            I have almost exclusively read shounen manga in the past. Chances are, if it was shounen and released between 2008 and 2015, I’ve read it.

            It’s formulaic to the point where other satire anime will call out tropes associated with the genre, like Gintama.

            Shounen manga starts with a great man that is at first under-estimated, but then is shown to have an exceptional talent or gains an exceptional power. A call to adventure is provided, usually when this talent or power is established. The hero will then meet a roadblock where they cannot pass, and they must train to gain more power. Usually multiple times. And the end is hastily and shittily concluded when the author is given very short notice to end the manga.

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
    ·
    6 months ago

    I'll put it like this: There's a reason Japanese people all read manga and consider it normal, whereas anime is regarded for creepy weirdos. Manga has a lower barrier of entry and has circles of enthusiasts making whatever they like. Manga has much more varied themes than most popular anime, there's a lot more creativity going on, and overall you'll find more meaningful themes.

    Anime since the mid 90s has mostly been a commercial vehicle to slap branding on pachislot machines and sell figurines. It's all profit now. Not to say it's all been bad. I love Tatami Galaxy. The 2017 Kino's Journey is lovely. I'm into Girls' Last Tour too. But like other people have said here there's so much incentive to sexualize a female character and sell toys based on her. That's where the money is made (and $80 blu-rays).

    I remember a statistic saying something like half of the anime ever made has been in the past 10 years. There's so much money flowing into it that getting a show that feels like a genuine artistic expression feels rarer. Also I'd hope that in a more equal society there would be less of the plots like "horny, lonely, nondescript teenage boy has his every wish fulfilled and girls throw themselves at his feet" because that's such a symptom of an unfulfilled alienated people

    I also wanna say there's a lot of donghua these days (Chinese animation done in a Japanese style) and a lot of it's pretty good

    • barrbaric [he/him]
      ·
      6 months ago

      Can you give some donghua recs? Already watched Link Click thanks to chapo propaganda.

  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
    ·
    6 months ago

    It's an animation style more or less. So, it'll be subject to the same cultural shifts as other media

  • Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml
    ·
    edit-2
    6 months ago

    Hopefully animes with scenes which need to be removed/censored will no longer have that content(i.e sexual content, treatment of female characters etc) I didn't even know it was so prevalent until few years ago since here that stuff is cut off(violence and cursing etc is not touched thankfully, just sexual content is cut off) and I found out about it on the internet.

    So hopefully some of the animes will be erased from existence, good ones with these flaws will have scenes removed and there will be a lot of animes based on revolutionary anti-imperialism etc.

    • mughaloid@lemmygrad.ml
      ·
      6 months ago

      I hope that only Dragon Ball and Z would remain in future communism and all tapes of Dragonball super and etc will be burnt to the ground for good as if they never existed. Such are my high hopes on future commies...

  • SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml
    ·
    6 months ago

    I’d assume they would come out slower but higher quality in both animation and story. While anime does have impressive animation already, the working conditions to pump out content is abysmal (also you can have amazing animation without all the shading and highlights and intricate patterns). Also while some anime start off strong they tend to fall apart nearing the end of a season (wonder egg priority, for example). With extra time and a more caring workplace the stories would be better managed, maybe some anime would actually end rather than forcefully extending beyond their expiration date.

  • HaSch@lemmygrad.ml
    ·
    6 months ago

    Rather than being freelancers or employees, animators under communism might learn and work in a unified academy system where they are adopted by famous directors and screenwriters, and gain more independence in their work as they develop their own artistic character. The most experienced staff would take full artistic responsibility for new anime they want to produce, but be aided by outside communist party members who free them of any organisational or managerial work that might come up, as well as by guaranteed rights such as local (or even inhouse) accommodation, food, and childcare.

    This centralised method of production could guarantee a seasonal lineup that is both balanced and popular, and provide a way to defuse and clear out animators' schedules. Instead of the current standard of 80 (!) new shows and movies, there would be less than a dozen flagship projects coming out each season, supplemented by short-form expos, themed anthologies, as well as commissions by other public entities. This would massively reduce the menial work to which animators are currently subjected, and open up time they can use to rest, enjoy leisure, study, become accustomed to new technology, and develop their own style.

    The budget for anime would no longer be obtained by the sale of industrially produced merchandise, but by grants; and instead of being put out on one of the current plethora of private providers, all anime (as well as all other video content) would be hosted on a central, publicly-owned platform that would be optimised for stability, compatibility, accessibility, and privacy - instead of profitability - and via which the public could vote on screenwriters' ideas for upcoming anime.

    • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
      ·
      6 months ago

      Some good ideas here, which could also be rolled out to other kinds of artistic production. There's also a place for 'amateur' production but I would think that the line between amateur and professional would blur eventually.

      • HaSch@lemmygrad.ml
        ·
        6 months ago

        To be honest, I already see this line being extremely blurry today, as freelancers are producing animations on e.g. Youtube with varying degrees of dependence on the compensation. If anything, establishing this academy system would deblur the line by making it at least equally attractive to become a card-carrying animator rather than a hobbyist, especially as the academy staff receives more and more resources, training, and equipment. Of course, there will be some part-timers but you very rarely see those among any sort of artists.

        However, I could also see the academy helping amateurs do their hobby by aiding them with editing work, research, recognition, and social connections, and there might be a prize system in which the best amateur films are being rewarded

  • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
    ·
    6 months ago

    I really don't know enough about the Ostanian political climate to comment. I assume there will be less horny incest brothers, at least.