• LeninWeave [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    massive student movement

    Yes, still academic. It's like rule one of Marxism that you have to actually work in order to be a revolutionary class. Students are not a revolutionary class.

    This is just a repackaging of people who achieved nothing in the imperial core shitting on people who achieved a whole lot in colonized nations.

    • activated [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Turns out this was not true (like many aspects of Marx's predictions about class consciousness and the standpoint of the proletariat) and that it's just as possible for labor organizing to be wildly reactionary in this given example.

      This is just a repackaging of people who achieved nothing in the imperial core shitting on people who achieved a whole lot in colonized nations.

      Not really. Any revolution has to be worldwide, and efforts to bring about revolution in the imperial core have far more impact than outside of it if that imperial core will just crush the latter again.

      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        and efforts to bring about revolution in the imperial core have far more impact than outside of it if that imperial core will just crush the latter again.

        Huh, funny how this isn't actually true when you look up from a philosophy treatise and at history.

              • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                :agony-soviet: This, guys, gals, and enby pals, is why I don't like to argue with leftcoms. :bordiga-despair:

                • activated [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  I'm not a leftcom, I think there's a lot to rethink about orthodox Marxism from a revolutionary praxis sense, given that his predictions about the appearance of class consciousness never really played out, and will necessarily need to be rethought and refocused for different conditions (this is no different than Lenin or Mao's opinions on Marx's revolutionary praxis either, they also had to gut and rebuild it).

                  • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    there’s a lot to rethink about orthodox Marxism from a revolutionary praxis sense, given that his predictions about the appearance of class consciousness never really played out

                    On this, we are completely agreed. I think our conclusions might be a bit divergent, though.

                    • activated [he/him]
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                      3 years ago

                      I think our conclusions might be a bit divergent, though.

                      Probably. I think the only way forward will be wresting the coercive control that the bourgeois have over us out of their hands before any revolutionary potential could be achieved. Until then, people are kept in neo-feudal alienation, in which we're surrounded by people but not community and every interaction we have with people is done through activities that make them an annoyance rather than a comrade. The suburbization of all of life, even if you don't live in suburbs. Mark Fisher had good ideas, drawing from the likes of Srnicek, and I'm not convinced that situationism is a dead end. As absurd as it sounds, the most spontaneous formation of community I've witnessed in the last decade has been when a company accidentally stumbled onto an app that sent people on situationist dérives. And that was a happy accident, I'd imagine something done with actual intent in building community bonds would be even more lasting.

      • RNAi [he/him]
        hexagon
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        3 years ago

        efforts to bring about revolution in the imperial core have far more impact than outside of it

        And that's why I wish r*dditros were right about china being imperialist cuz then the Imperial Core would shift to a place where revolutions had happened in the past

        :think-about-it:

        • activated [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          China is not overtly imperialist, but their economic maneuvering will likely give them the biggest say in the 21st century when it comes to how other countries behave.