Utopianism and idealism have long plagued the left, as Marx and Engels pointed out a century and a half ago. But these days, the leftists are tilting at wind...
This is actually quite good; addresses the western left's obsession with purity and martyrdom without producing a single useful result.
there is no viable or worthwhile socialist praxis in any Western country that isn’t just egging people on to do mass shootings/suicides.
That's... not what I'm saying. Just that the interests of westerners often run counter to those in the global south, and that catering to these interests is social-chauvinism.
I was replying to someone who said that western parties did not attract many western workers.
I was pointing out that some of the interests of western workers are social-chauvinist, and parties/movements should not support those. I'm not sure how much more clear I can get: it is sometimes in the interest of the American working class to support the pilfering of resources from the global south. This is bad, and should not be supported. Parties should not compromise on this.
This is a basic anti-imperialist stance, and does not translate to "kill yourself and everyone around you". Maybe my rhetoric was slightly inflammatory, but you're extrapolating pretty wildly here.
Honestly, like I said, I see where my original comment was a bit inflammatory - I might have been a bit worked up from the breadtube discussion elsewhere in the thread, too. I don't mean to write off the whole western working class, it's just something that I think is important to keep in mind.
Thanks for the discussion on this, hope you have a good day!
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That's... not what I'm saying. Just that the interests of westerners often run counter to those in the global south, and that catering to these interests is social-chauvinism.
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I was replying to someone who said that western parties did not attract many western workers.
I was pointing out that some of the interests of western workers are social-chauvinist, and parties/movements should not support those. I'm not sure how much more clear I can get: it is sometimes in the interest of the American working class to support the pilfering of resources from the global south. This is bad, and should not be supported. Parties should not compromise on this.
This is a basic anti-imperialist stance, and does not translate to "kill yourself and everyone around you". Maybe my rhetoric was slightly inflammatory, but you're extrapolating pretty wildly here.
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Honestly, like I said, I see where my original comment was a bit inflammatory - I might have been a bit worked up from the breadtube discussion elsewhere in the thread, too. I don't mean to write off the whole western working class, it's just something that I think is important to keep in mind.
Thanks for the discussion on this, hope you have a good day!