In this episode we interview . Ashon is Associate Professor of Religious Studies and African American Studies at the University of Virginia and author of and . In this discussion we ask Ashon questions from both books. Ashon delves into the context in which both works were created. Along the way Ashon shares reflections on religion, doctrine, on spirituality, theology, sense capacity, aesthetics, Blackness, Queerness and the crises, breakdowns and breakthroughs created through incommensurability.   The conversation is also animated by joy, by love, by loudness, by thinking of ways to be together, and of the otherwise worlds we can imagine and those that already exist. Thanks to Ashon Crawley for sharing so much with us in this conversation.  If folks like what we do here at Millennials Are Killing Capitalism and want to support our capacity to do so. We are on a current pledge drive to reach 1,000 patrons for the show. As of this recording we only need 41 more to hit that goal. Thanks to all who have contributed and those who will contribute in the future.